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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    The difference is that speeding or a bad lane change can't get me brought down to the station and detained. If I get pulled over for speeding in Arizona five minutes from now I could be detained while my citizenship is proven, because my passport is in my desk drawer rather than in my pocket.
    Your drivers' license doesn't prove that you're a citizen?

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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Grim17 View Post
    Would you please stop lying your ass off and READ THE GD LAW!

    There are 4 forms of ID that are considered legal, and having your passport on you (if you are an American citizen) isn't one of them. If you have a drivers license, then you are assumed to be in the country legally. If you are not an American citizen, then you are required by FEDERAL LAW to have either your passport on you, or your green card.


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    Just note that I'm not contesting what you're saying, just trying to get more informed. What happens if I get ticketed for jaywalking? Say I'm a citizen, I have no ID, but I don't speak any English. What then?

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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    Just note that I'm not contesting what you're saying, just trying to get more informed. What happens if I get ticketed for jaywalking? Say I'm a citizen, I have no ID, but I don't speak any English. What then?
    If you don't have a state issued ID card, they check you out through ICE.

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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    Just note that I'm not contesting what you're saying, just trying to get more informed. What happens if I get ticketed for jaywalking? Say I'm a citizen, I have no ID, but I don't speak any English. What then?
    Perfect scenario for being further questioned about your immigration and legal status.
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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    If you don't have a state issued ID card, they check you out through ICE.
    So where would I go in the meantime while they're checking this?

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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Grim17 View Post
    Would you please stop lying your ass off and READ THE GD LAW!

    There are 4 forms of ID that are considered legal, and having your passport on you (if you are an American citizen) isn't one of them. If you have a drivers license, then you are assumed to be in the country legally. If you are not an American citizen, then you are required by FEDERAL LAW to have either your passport on you, or your green card.


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    An Arizona driver's license is considered proof of being in the country legally. I do not possess an Arizona driver's license. They also mention "government issued ID, if that agency requires proof of legal status," but not all states require a social security number to get a license, and I doubt the officers will memorize a list of which documents fit that requirement.
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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    An Arizona driver's license is considered proof of being in the country legally. I do not possess an Arizona driver's license. They also mention "government issued ID, if that agency requires proof of legal status," but not all states require a social security number to get a license, and I doubt the officers will memorize a list of which documents fit that requirement.
    I'm not aware of any states that let you have a drivers' license unless you are in this country legally, or is that not correct?

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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    Just note that I'm not contesting what you're saying, just trying to get more informed. What happens if I get ticketed for jaywalking? Say I'm a citizen, I have no ID, but I don't speak any English. What then?
    You're probably going to the police station. But I have news for you. You still would have been going to the police station a week ago too. It's the law in Arizona that a person must carry ID with them in public. If you don't speak English, and the police officer doesn't speak your language, there's no way he can verify who you are. Can't write you a ticket if they don't know who you are.

    If that example isn't probable cause, then I don't know what is.

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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Grim17 View Post
    Can't write you a ticket if they don't know who you are.

    If that example isn't probable cause, then I don't know what is.
    I think that clears up the issue for me.

    So, is the problem with most people this idea of legal interaction? I mean, do police have to catch you doing something, or can they just walk up and ask you for proof? From what I've seen, it's not the latter.

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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    An Arizona driver's license is considered proof of being in the country legally. I do not possess an Arizona driver's license. They also mention "government issued ID, if that agency requires proof of legal status," but not all states require a social security number to get a license, and I doubt the officers will memorize a list of which documents fit that requirement.
    I recommend that a paranoid liberal like yourself, stay the hell out of Arizona.

    Do us all a favor and stop wasting everyones time with your phony scenarios. Just state that you are a liberal, and are marching lock step with the current regime, so you will oppose this law even if a gun were put to your head.

    p.s. I hear police have these new fangled devises called "computers" in their cars.
    Last edited by Grim17; 04-29-10 at 04:35 PM.

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