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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    White people would not be discriminated against, only targeted. It would not be racist.
    What the heck do you think disciminated against means?

    I would be discriminated against by the police to be. My freedom of action would be reduced in comparison to non whites. Ie discriminated due to races
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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    So why did Arizona pass a law that duplicates what a law does already?
    Becuase it grants the police the authority to HOLD suspected Invaders, something they were not formerly able to do.

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    Where did I say racism was the reason for the law?
    All people opposed to this law are fondling their race card.

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    I have said racial profiling is racist and it is
    Racial profiling isn't inherently racist.

    It's racial profiling to target males between 20 and 50 hailing from muslim dominated nations because that's demographic of your typical terrorist. That's not racism, that's common sense.

    It's not racial profiling to ask a hispanic who's been caught committing another crime to present proof of his legal residency in this nation, that's common sense. Also, the bill does not single out hispanics.

    You could try reading it.

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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    So why did Arizona pass a law that duplicates what a law does already?

    Where did I say racism was the reason for the law?

    I have said racial profiling is racist and it is
    Racism is when one believes their race is superior to another. Profiling for illegals (lawbreakers) is NOT racism.
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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    What the heck do you think disciminated against means?

    I would be discriminated against by the police to be. My freedom of action would be reduced in comparison to non whites. Ie discriminated due to races
    Why is it racial discrimination? You aren't losing privileges by being checked. No loss of a job or failure to get an opportunity to achieve your objectives because of your race, it is just being targeted for inspection because you fit the profile.

    If a white male 25 to 35 years old with a leather jacket driving a rusted early model blue Toyota Celica rapes a woman in an alley and the police are called, they are going to profile. "Be on the lookout for a white male 25 to 35 years old with a leather jacket driving a rusted early model blue Toyota Celica". Is this racial profiling? Age profiling? Attire profiling? Transportation profiling? Is any of this wrong? There may be several guys fitting this description, but they didn't do it. Should they be investigated?

    Now what if he is Mexican or black? Isn't this profiling?

    Is racial discrimination racist?

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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Racism is when one believes their race is superior to another. Profiling for illegals (lawbreakers) is NOT racism.
    Fine it is racial discrimination then

    Profiling by stopping every hispanic person and checking their citizenship status is racial discrimination

    It is discriminating against a specific ethnic group purely because of their ethnicity
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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    Profiling by stopping every hispanic person and checking their citizenship status is racial discrimination
    Good thing the law doesn't order the cops to stop every hispanic-looking person then, isn't it.

    How many other strawmen you got hiding there?

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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    Why is it racial discrimination? You aren't losing privileges by being checked. No loss of a job or failure to get an opportunity to achieve your objectives because of your race, it is just being targeted for inspection because you fit the profile.

    If a white male 25 to 35 years old with a leather jacket driving a rusted early model blue Toyota Celica rapes a woman in an alley and the police are called, they are going to profile. "Be on the lookout for a white male 25 to 35 years old with a leather jacket driving a rusted early model blue Toyota Celica". Is this racial profiling? Age profiling? Attire profiling? Transportation profiling? Is any of this wrong? There may be several guys fitting this description, but they didn't do it. Should they be investigated?

    Now what if he is Mexican or black? Isn't this profiling?

    Is racial discrimination racist?

    It's sexist profiling. They should be searching for women rapists, too. Maybe Janet Reno is lurking somewhere in the neighborhood.

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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    Why is it racial discrimination? You aren't losing privileges by being checked. No loss of a job or failure to get an opportunity to achieve your objectives because of your race, it is just being targeted for inspection because you fit the profile.
    If I am stopped on my way to work purely because of my ethnicity it is racial discrimination. My freedom of action (liberty) is imparied compared to others

    If a white male 25 to 35 years old with a leather jacket driving a rusted early model blue Toyota Celica rapes a woman in an alley and the police are called, they are going to profile. "Be on the lookout for a white male 25 to 35 years old with a leather jacket driving a rusted early model blue Toyota Celica". Is this racial profiling? Age profiling? Attire profiling? Transportation profiling? Is any of this wrong? There may be several guys fitting this description, but they didn't do it. Should they be investigated?

    Now what if he is Mexican or black? Isn't this profiling?

    Is racial discrimination racist?
    It would not be racist to be looking for a specific criminal in the area in which the crime is believed to have taken place. Meaning checking for a period of time people who match the description of the suspect would not be racist no matter which ethnicity it was

    But stopping people over a non specific crime (ie illegal immigrants) where they do not have a specific suspect in mind (ie hispanic 24-30 years of age wearing a white T shirt ) but a general suspect (ie hispanic and all hispanics) and targetting all hispanics for extra enforcement is racial discrimination
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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Good thing the law doesn't order the cops to stop every hispanic-looking person then, isn't it.

    How many other strawmen you got hiding there?
    Good thing were not talking about this specific law when in the last few points then.

    But discussing whether or not racial profiling is racial discrimination
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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    It's sexist profiling. They should be searching for women rapists, too. Maybe Janet Reno is lurking somewhere in the neighborhood.
    I thought she raped alligators...is that illegal?

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