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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Oh.

    So you agree that asking suspect for ID isn't unconstitutional.

    So what's your problem with this new law again?
    That I doubt the actual intent and practice is going to be as described regarding ID

    Why make a new law that duplicates (part of it) what was in the law previously?
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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    Yes yes it is

    It is as racist as the KKK putting burning cross's on black families lawns (just because they were black

    Or as racist as a Japanese family not wanting thier daughter to marry a European because they are not Japanese
    That's ridiculous. You are simply intelligently differentiating and targeting a group for inquiry, but no loss occurs. Ignoring race when you know 80% of illegal aliens are hispanic is the real stupidity.

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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    The answer is that he can't stop them and ask them until he's already stopped them for suspicion of some other crime.

    When a cop stops someone with probable cause, what's their first question?

    Oh, yeah, their first question is "let's see some ID".

    So, it seems that actually ASKING a suspect for his ID CAN'T POSSIBLY be a violation of any Constitutional standard, since it's SOP in the first damn place.
    ID alone isn't proof of immigration status.

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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    ID alone isn't proof of immigration status.
    It is if a passport or birth cert is required to get one.
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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    That I doubt the actual intent and practice is going to be as described regarding ID
    Your unsubstantiated doubts are not logical proof.

    Also, no, racism wasn't the reason for the law. The fact that Arizona is overrun with illegal aliens was the basis for the law.

    What part of the meaning of the word "illegal" is eluding your understanding?

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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Well, read the text of the law and let us know.

    That clearly is a violation of civil liberties, since any American should be able to hire any other American or lawful resident for temporary work. But there's nothing with requiring that such laborers provide proof of legal residence.
    It also bars people from soliciting work or hiring day laborers off the street.
    Obama criticizes Arizona immigration law - latimes.com

    This was discussed in length here on DP although I can not find the thead ATM
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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    ID alone isn't proof of immigration status.
    And if you'd bothered to read the law, you'd see that it states that ID issued by other states that require proof of legal residency prior to the issuance of that ID is sufficient proof for the purpose of this Arizona law.

    That people CAN get ID in this nation without presenting proof of legal residency is a problem that the federal government refuses to address because the politicians want the American citizen to be diluted.

    Why count Invaders on the Census?

    So the politicians can re-draw districts and gain seats that dilute the votes of American citizens.

    The question you're not demanding an answer to is why your elected representative is giving your country away. You don't seem to care much about that.

    As a US veteran, I care very much about that.

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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    That's ridiculous. You are simply intelligently differentiating and targeting a group for inquiry, but no loss occurs. Ignoring race when you know 80% of illegal aliens are hispanic is the real stupidity.
    If the Canadian police targetted white people to show ID on a regular basis while not asking asian, African etc for thier ID, white people would be disciminated against due to their race. Not because of something the individual did. Hence it is racist

    For a policy to be racist does not mean a loss has to have occured
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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Your unsubstantiated doubts are not logical proof.

    Also, no, racism wasn't the reason for the law. The fact that Arizona is overrun with illegal aliens was the basis for the law.

    What part of the meaning of the word "illegal" is eluding your understanding?
    So why did Arizona pass a law that duplicates what a law does already?

    Where did I say racism was the reason for the law?

    I have said racial profiling is racist and it is
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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    If the Canadian police targetted white people to show ID on a regular basis while not asking asian, African etc for thier ID, white people would be disciminated against due to their race. Not because of something the individual did. Hence it is racist

    For a policy to be racist does not mean a loss has to have occured
    White people would not be discriminated against, only targeted. It would not be racist.

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