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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

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    I appoligize. I was making fun of the fact that so many are making this a hispanic issue only, the bill covers all illegals. I also have provided a link to the bill so members can better understand the bill.
    again sorry.
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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Chappy View Post
    Another question is how much safer will Arizonans be with new law being enforced …

    “The Arizona immigration law will likely hinder federal law enforcement from carrying out its priorities of detaining and removing dangerous criminal aliens. With the strong support of state and local law enforcement, I vetoed several similar pieces of legislation as Governor of Arizona because they would have diverted critical law enforcement resources from the most serious threats to public safety and undermined the vital trust between local jurisdictions and the communities they serve. I support and am actively working with bipartisan members of Congress to pass comprehensive immigration reform at the federal level because this issue cannot be solved by a patchwork of inconsistent state laws.” — Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano, Gov. Jan Brewer's predecessor as Arizona governor
    60 % of murders in the Phoenix area involve illegals, kidnappings, drugs, smuggling. 30% of prisoners in Maricopa county are illegals. The police are allreadydealing with the illegals when they are dealing with crimes.

    This law just gives them another tool to use.

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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    If you are looking for a beach in Arizona you've got more problems than the immigration bill

    Closest one is in Mexico, they don't ask for our ID when we go they like it when we bring money into Mexico

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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    Great, they can go to jail for breaking the law and be exposed as people who support breaking immigration laws. Let them protest, I have no sympathy for them. What about the law abiding citizens or legal immigrants in Arizona? All Arizona is doing is making it a state offense to commit a federal crime, they are also taking measures to enforce the law. Is this a bad thing? If anything it's a wonderful thing. I applaud Arizona for passing this bold legislation
    And those who love America and the rule of law should take close note of those who actively oppose this bill by trying to economicly punish Arizona and punish those organizations who do so.

    I talked about this with my friends here in Taiwan and they just couldn't believe that this is an issue.
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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Did you even read the article?

    Immigration law:



    Your ignorance is shinning through.
    LOL You are just a glutton for punishment.

    "I firmly believe [the law] represents what's best for Arizona," said Brewer. "Border-related violence and crime due to illegal immigration are critically important issues for the people of our state, to my administration, and to me as your governor and as a citizen."

    Enjoy your fail

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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Chappy View Post
    The issue is that in Arizona, you are now required by law to carry with you at all times proof of your citizenship or legal entry into the state and that a police officer can demand those papers for any reason; you are wearing the wrong sneakers; the shape of your hat suggests a foreign style, etc. I find it interesting that a non-Arizona drivers license may be insufficient proof that you are here legally.
    1. The country I live in requires all legal immigrants to carry their government issued ID cards at all times.

    2. I don't blame AZ for possibly NOT accepting out-of-state licenses because the state of Arizona can't control if they are issued to illegals or not.
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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    The U.S. government sets immigration law. Not the states. It is a federal issue.
    And all this law does is ENFORCE existing immigration law. THAT is a state issue.
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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Chappy View Post
    I will certainly defer to your considerable expertise on fear mongering.

    As to what constitutes as the kind of papers you'll need on your next visit to Arizona, I can provide this …



    And, again, the concerns I have are not about illegal immigration enforcement but about civil rights and violations thereof for a whole class of people. I think Arizonans have been badly misled by their political leadership who can't address their real problems of governmental fiscal default, the real estate market free fall, burgeoning unemployment and human despair. I think this law plays on all those anxieties and distracts from them, but serves no positive purpose other than justify the law makers own continued employment.

    If you lived here you would not think this. The political leadership is doing this because it is what the people want.

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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Chappy View Post
    My emphasis.

    Here's another source on the problem with getting stopped by a policeman in Phoenix for any reason and why your home state driver's license may not be enough to keep you from being arrested as a possible illegal immigrant.
    I don't agree with the point made in that AZ Republic Article-- which states specifically do not require proof of citizenship to get a driver's lic. California, New Mexico, and Texas all do.

    The writer of the article is making an exaggerated hypothetical. IMO.

    Profiling is not an exact science, but its a pretty logical and effective process for spotting likely suspects. I interviewed and observed a number of police officers and federal agents who worked exclusively at LAX as part of joint task force. The used profiling extensively for incoming flights. They could also watch curbside drop-offs for departing flights and spot people carrying illegal contraband. Their job was actually more difficult as the profile would change--meaning drug traffickers would switch types periodically.

    The police gain nothing by having one PR issue after another--so they are motivated to profile in smart and deliberate manner.

    The police gain everything if the drain on public resources goes down along with crime related to drug trafficking and illegals.

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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by cholla View Post
    60 % of murders in the Phoenix area involve illegals, kidnappings, drugs, smuggling. 30% of prisoners in Maricopa county are illegals. The police are allreadydealing with the illegals when they are dealing with crimes.

    This law just gives them another tool to use.
    I bet you have a link for that.

    Here's my link about the first bull**** factoid you offer, one spread by state senator Russell Pearce, the author of this notorious immigration bill and a serial false factoid artificer.

    Excerpted from “Russell Pearce's Falsehoods, Inaccuracies and Inventions on Channel 12's Sunday Square-Off” By Stephen Lemons, “Feathered Bastard,” Phoenix New Times, Sunday, Apr. 11 2010 @ 12:53PM
    "60 percent of the homicides in Phoenix involved illegal aliens."

    As I've stated already, the FBI does not keep stats on a perp's immigration status, and the stats they do have come directly from agencies such as the Phoenix PD.

    In 2008, the Phoenix PD cleared 51.8 percent of murders, the rest were left uncleared. How do you determine the immigration status of those involved in the remainder? By magic? Apparently Pearce has his own brand of hocus pocus.
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