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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by cholla View Post
    Did you even bother to read anything from those google search results? Because it doesn't say what you think it says.
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    This issue directly shows how screwed up this country is.

    We are actually on page 56 of a thread about enforcing an existing federal law that requires people to follow the proper channels to get into the country.

    We are actually debating this!!

    Unbelievable.

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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    See, this is exactly why we need to make sure laws adequately protect against people like you who say you can just "tell the difference."

    "People like me" are not the ones enforcing laws, we are subject to them like anyone else.

    Not sure what you are trying "protect against."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Did you even bother to read anything from those google search results?

    Yes, thats why I posted them up here, for others to read.

    Because it doesn't say what you think it says.
    Please tell me what I think then

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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    This issue directly shows how screwed up this country is.

    We are actually on page 56 of a thread about enforcing an existing federal law that requires people to follow the proper channels to get into the country.

    We are actually debating this!!

    Unbelievable.
    Yes, everything is simple and your opinion is obviously right.

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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    You are a weird kid. My only problem with the law was that I felt it could violate the 14th amendment rights of Hispanic citizens.
    Can't.

    The law doesn't permit random sampling of the population based on "looks like an Invader". It requires that the police stop people for suspicion of some other offense and then requires the officer to check residency status, if he suspects this additional crime to have been committed.

    Since, however, the USSC has stated that blanket random road "checkpoints" for DUI and seatbelt usage do not violate the FOURTH Amendment, then it goes to follow that random routine road checkpoints for violation of other state laws cannot be a violation of that same Amendment.

    BTW, you could try reading your constitution someday. I mean, if you're going to argue some law or other violates an amendment, shouldn't you at least pick a number of an Amendment that might pertain to what it is you're wishing it violated, but doesn't?

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Given the definition of "lawful contact" and "reasonable suspicion" that have been presented in this thread, I have less fear that that will be the case. I still think it is unfair to the average Hispanic citizen who gets pulled over for speeding, but at least I know that Hispanic citizens won't be stopped on the street just to show papers. None of my arguments in this thread were in relation to illegal immigrants, so I think you probably have some sort of reading disorder.
    "Lawful contact", in essence, the suspect has to be suspected, with reasonable suspicion, of committing some other offense.

    Suddenly you people have a problem with the police apprehending criminals? Its that why you keep sending the same criminals to Washington every year, and not, as I once suspected, you desired to get them out of your own neighborhoods?

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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    ...and the race card gets played again!
    Yes, everytime the Americans try to enforce their immigration laws and start shipping the people in this country illegally out, the Democrats play the only card they have, their little Racist Whiner Card.

    For some reason, actually for no reason at all except shear hormonal imbalance, the Democrat stooge believes that if he uses his hormones and not his brain, then his use of the word "racism" automatically makes the person he's aiming it at a racist.

    He never realizes his liberal use of the word does nothing but expose the vacuity of his thinking to the rest of the world.

    Desiring to curb the Invasion of the United States by unlawfully entered parties is not racism.

    Period.

    You have to find a real argument, since your emotions aren't going to win this one.

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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Suddenly you people have a problem with the police apprehending criminals? Its that why you keep sending the same criminals to Washington every year, and not, as I once suspected, you desired to get them out of your own neighborhoods?
    Why are you trying to make a fight out of something that was decided several posts back? As I said, within the context of preserving the 14 amendment rights of Hispanic citizens, I have no problem with this law. You need to learn to do more than spot read posts.

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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Yes, everything is simple and your opinion is obviously right.
    It isn't opinion, it's fact.

    Line 26 says it all:

    ANY PERSON WHO IS ARRESTED SHALL HAVE THE PERSON'S IMMIGRATION STATUS DETERMINED BEFORE THE PERSON IS RELEASED. THE PERSON'S IMMIGRATION STATUS SHALL BE VERIFIED WITH THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT PURSUANT TO 8 UNITED STATES CODE SECTION 1373(c). A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICIAL OR AGENCY OF THIS STATE OR A COUNTY, CITY, TOWN OR OTHER POLITICAL SUBDIVISION OF THIS STATE MAY NOT SOLELY CONSIDER RACE, COLOR OR NATIONAL ORIGIN IN IMPLEMENTING THE REQUIREMENTS OF THIS SUBSECTION EXCEPT TO THE EXTENT PERMITTED BY THE UNITED STATES OR ARIZONA CONSTITUTION. A PERSON IS PRESUMED TO NOT BE AN ALIEN WHO IS UNLAWFULLY PRESENT IN THE UNITED STATES IF THE PERSON PROVIDES TO THE LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER OR AGENCY ANY OF THE FOLLOWING:
    1. A VALID ARIZONA DRIVER LICENSE.
    2. A VALID ARIZONA NONOPERATING IDENTIFICATION LICENSE.
    3. A VALID TRIBAL ENROLLMENT CARD OR OTHER FORM OF TRIBAL IDENTIFICATION.
    4. IF THE ENTITY REQUIRES PROOF OF LEGAL PRESENCE IN THE UNITED STATES BEFORE ISSUANCE, ANY VALID UNITED STATES FEDERAL, STATE OR LOCAL GOVERNMENT ISSUED IDENTIFICATION.

    Can't profile and legal ID means they are presumed to be in the country legally.

    That about sums it up.

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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Yes, everything is simple and your opinion is obviously right.
    Now you're getting it!
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