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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    No, I am trying to find a legally binding definition of "lawful contact," which is NOT in the law.
    I posted a link to a legally binding definition.
    If it is not in the bill, I can't help you there, you will have to put the two together yourself.

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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by cholla View Post
    I was talking to two illegals yesterday and the one who has applied for his papers and is in line in the system, who speaks english pretty well, said that the other one, who does not speak english well, and others he had talked to, said the were going to go back to Mexico before the law goes into effect.
    I gathered from them, that there is a network of illegals keeping track of this law and he wanted to find out from me, what "the american people" thought was going to happen.
    They're not going to go back to Mexico.

    They're going to go to one of 47 other states. They paid a lot of money to get here.

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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    I suppose those who are climbing the fence at this very moment can't be assumed to be illegal either...
    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    They're not going to go back to Mexico.

    They're going to go to one of 47 other states. They paid a lot of money to get here.

    Then maybe those voters in the other states will get fed up with illegals just as the AZ voters did and push for a similar bill in their state. A Texas legislator has already made the suggestion that Texas do just that.

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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    This is exactly the reason not to have this law. It would not be hard to amend the law so that it specifically states by what criteria that local law enforcement could reasonably suspect someone is an illegal. In fact, it could even be the same criteria as listed in the federal law. The only reason that people like you don't want to see that happen is because you are racists who want to see law abiding Hispanic citizens being harassed and having their 14th amendment rights trampled upon. That is the only way I can understand why you guys would want to have such an obviously vague law on the books.

    But I don't care. As it stands now, it will only take one bored, racist cop to lead to this law being overturned by the courts.

    So, when all you people were babbling about these "undocumented" immigrants, as you call them, you never thought your bluff would be called and the cops would actually start demanding they show the documentation the law says they're supposed to be carrying if they're here legally?

    Hmmm?

    Since they're breaking the law by being here illegally, what's your problem with asking them for their documentation?

    Don't give us the "you're a racist" crap, that emotional nonsense doesn't fit the facts. The facts are that the Invading Horde is a criminal horde. Every single one of them has violated the law.

    Every.

    One.

    They don't belong here, and the existing federal law says they have to be sent back when they're caught.

    What's your emotional problem with the police arresting criminals?

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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by cholla View Post
    I have lived and worked with mexicans for 45 years and you can certainly tell the difference between someone who is just up from Mexico or Guadamala and someone who has lived in th USA for a while.
    If I, as a layman can do that, most police that actually see the papers of people, will have a much easier time of identifing the illegals.
    See, this is exactly why we need to make sure laws adequately protect against people like you who say you can just "tell the difference."

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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by bhkad View Post
    Then maybe those voters in the other states will get fed up with illegals just as the AZ voters did and push for a similar bill in their state. A Texas legislator has already made the suggestion that Texas do just that.
    Gee, what a shame that would be if California kicked it's Invader habit and started creating job openings for the American underclass instead.

    What is really going down is that the Democrats hate blacks and don't want blacks to have the employment opportunities currently enjoyed by illegal mexican labor in the nation's hotels and restaurants.

    If blacks could find jobs, they'd be less likely to vote for the people most dedicated to stealing the wages of working Americans. The Democrats have to fight that notion tooth and nail.

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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by cholla View Post
    I posted a link to a legally binding definition.
    You did? You mean that Google search? That wasn't a definition at all, let alone a legal one.

    If it is not in the bill, I can't help you there,
    That's true, you can't.

    you will have to put the two together yourself.
    Yes, thanks for proving my point.

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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    What is really going down is that the Democrats hate blacks and don't want blacks to have the employment opportunities currently enjoyed by illegal mexican labor in the nation's hotels and restaurants.

    If blacks could find jobs, they'd be less likely to vote for the people most dedicated to stealing the wages of working Americans. The Democrats have to fight that notion tooth and nail.
    ...and the race card gets played again!

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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    They're not going to go back to Mexico.

    They're going to go to one of 47 other states. They paid a lot of money to get here.
    Good point.

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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    So, when all you people were babbling about these "undocumented" immigrants, as you call them, you never thought your bluff would be called and the cops would actually start demanding they show the documentation the law says they're supposed to be carrying if they're here legally?

    Hmmm?

    Since they're breaking the law by being here illegally, what's your problem with asking them for their documentation?

    Don't give us the "you're a racist" crap, that emotional nonsense doesn't fit the facts. The facts are that the Invading Horde is a criminal horde. Every single one of them has violated the law.

    Every.

    One.

    They don't belong here, and the existing federal law says they have to be sent back when they're caught.

    What's your emotional problem with the police arresting criminals?
    You are a weird kid. My only problem with the law was that I felt it could violate the 14th amendment rights of Hispanic citizens. Given the definition of "lawful contact" and "reasonable suspicion" that have been presented in this thread, I have less fear that that will be the case. I still think it is unfair to the average Hispanic citizen who gets pulled over for speeding, but at least I know that Hispanic citizens won't be stopped on the street just to show papers. None of my arguments in this thread were in relation to illegal immigrants, so I think you probably have some sort of reading disorder.
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