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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    I will be back in AZ in a few weeks, gonna see if the nearby Lowes and Home Depot still have the day loborers standing around. If they are still there, then this law is not being effective...
    So now all day laborers are illegals?

    Maybe this will prove the law went too far, as predicted.

    Your post certainly proves that you think you can judge an illegal by looking at him, just like some people here have expressed concern about.

    (Yes, most of them are probably illegals, but you can't assume it).

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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    So now all day laborers are illegals?

    Maybe this will prove the law went too far, as predicted.

    Your post certainly proves that you think you can judge an illegal by looking at him, just like some people here have expressed concern about.

    (Yes, most of them are probably illegals, but you can't assume it).
    I suppose those who are climbing the fence at this very moment can't be assumed to be illegal either...
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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    I suppose those who are climbing the fence at this very moment can't be assumed to be illegal either...
    No supposing.

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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    That's quite a leap you're making. "Lawful contact" is not defined in this immigration bill, so unless there's a definition for it elsewhere it's quite simply up to individual interpretation.

    Try this link [ame=http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1T4GFRC_enUS203US203&q=lawful+contact+defini tion]lawful contact definition - Google Search[/ame]

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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Okay I'm fine with it as long as it is practiced in that context.

    I am sure that with all the national attention on AZ now, the usual precautions will be observed. The radical, hate all the mexicans, beat the niggers, hose the non white, law enforcment people will be disapointed that they won't be able to freely discriminate as usual, but they will just have to get over it now.

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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Something some guy who helped write the bill said has no legal force though.
    I thought you were trying to understand the law. Guess I don't know what you are looking for now.

    There can be no legal force specifically pertaining to this law until it is challanged in a court of law, something that cannot be proven until it maybe happens sometime in the future.

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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by cholla View Post
    I thought you were trying to understand the law.
    No, I am trying to find a legally binding definition of "lawful contact," which is NOT in the law.

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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    So now all day laborers are illegals?

    Maybe this will prove the law went too far, as predicted.

    Your post certainly proves that you think you can judge an illegal by looking at him, just like some people here have expressed concern about.

    (Yes, most of them are probably illegals, but you can't assume it).
    If they were legal and desperate for work they can apply for regular a job like everybody else can, they can go to temp services, or Labor Ready type temp services(a temp service that pays you the same day you work) and H2B VISA / H2B(Seasonal Worker Visa), and H2A VISAs(agricultural visa) are not self petitioned.Besides if they are standing around loitering the police can check them anyways or at least tell them to disperse.
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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    I will be back in AZ in a few weeks, gonna see if the nearby Lowes and Home Depot still have the day loborers standing around. If they are still there, then this law is not being effective...

    I was talking to two illegals yesterday and the one who has applied for his papers and is in line in the system, who speaks english pretty well, said that the other one, who does not speak english well, and others he had talked to, said the were going to go back to Mexico before the law goes into effect.
    I gathered from them, that there is a network of illegals keeping track of this law and he wanted to find out from me, what "the american people" thought was going to happen.

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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    So now all day laborers are illegals?

    Maybe this will prove the law went too far, as predicted.

    Your post certainly proves that you think you can judge an illegal by looking at him, just like some people here have expressed concern about.

    (Yes, most of them are probably illegals, but you can't assume it).

    I have lived and worked with mexicans for 45 years and you can certainly tell the difference between someone who is just up from Mexico or Guadamala and someone who has lived in th USA for a while.
    If I, as a layman can do that, most police that actually see the papers of people, will have a much easier time of identifing the illegals.

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