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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Grim17 View Post
    Police have always had to have a legal justification for pulling someone over. Those justifications are not expanded by this new law. In fact, the law specifically states that suspicion of being an illegal alien is not legal justification. That's all you really need to know.
    No, it's not all we need to know, because you haven't established that the justifications aren't expanded by this law, because nobody knows the legal definition of "lawful contact" yet. I think you're probably right, but it's not proven yet.

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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    An officer saying "Nice day, isn't it?" could be considered "lawful contact" if that term is not defined anywhere.
    Bull****. That is not lawful contact because it is no where within th law.

    You're basing your entire argument on the assumption that this guy did something to somehow make the officer doubt the validity of the man's driver's license/SSN. The bottom line is he was handcuffed and taken in because he wasn't carrying a birth certificate. Papiere, bitte.
    I'm basing it on the fact that we don't have all the information. You don't care about that but I do.
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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    Why the **** would anyone avoid going there? Makes no sense. Only those truly ignorant of the law would refrain from going there.
    What's the law say exactly?

    Or those with something to hide.
    Another classic rationalization.

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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    Bull****. That is not lawful contact because it is no where within th law.
    There IS NO DEFINITION of "lawful contact" in the law. So you can't say what it means based on what's in the law.

    I'm basing it on the fact that we don't have all the information.
    Right. We don't know what "lawful contact" means yet.

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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    I may be coming into some money soon, and I think I will spend at least half of it in AZ....

    Utah is afraid that the AZ law will make more illegals come there and at least one state official is thinking of enacting a similar law to minimize that.

    and I like what Leno said about it, AZ should ship all the illegals back where they came from, Los Angeles....
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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    Bull****. That is not lawful contact because it is no where within th law.
    That's exactly what I said. There's no legal definition so it means pretty much whatever the officer thinks it means.


    I'm basing it on the fact that we don't have all the information. You don't care about that but I do.
    If you think he was handcuffed and detained for a reason other than questioning his immigration status, you're going to have to demonstrate that somehow. There's evidence to support my side, but none for yours.
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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    There IS NO DEFINITION of "lawful contact" in the law. So you can't say what it means based on what's in the law.
    Do you understand the word LAWFUL means it would have to do with the LAW?

    Are you so far gone you can't even admit that?
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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Given the huge negative blowback and public outcry, I'm beginning to question my own acceptance of the bill.

    Maybe I'm not understanding how it's going to be utilized by local law enforcement.

    Or maybe people are not understand the severity of the problem in terms of a drain on public services/funds.

    I still think a more effective and less controversial approach would be harsher legislation focused on employers using undocumented workers. Make the fines steep and enforce the law. This would also bring more money into the state in the form of payroll taxes.

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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    Given the huge negative blowback and public outcry, I'm beginning to question my own acceptance of the bill.

    Maybe I'm not understanding how it's going to be utilized by local law enforcement.

    Or maybe people are not understand the severity of the problem in terms of a drain on public services/funds.

    I still think a more effective and less controversial approach would be harsher legislation focused on employers using undocumented workers. Make the fines steep and enforce the law. This would also bring more money into the state in the form of payroll taxes.
    I hadn't realized that you accepted the bill. Are you saying you support this law?
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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Holy ****. Reading some of the bull**** in this thread, it should probably be moved to the conspiracy theory forum.

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