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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    Great, they can go to jail for breaking the law and be exposed as people who support breaking immigration laws. Let them protest, I have no sympathy for them. What about the law abiding citizens or legal immigrants in Arizona? All Arizona is doing is making it a state offense to commit a federal crime, they are also taking measures to enforce the law. Is this a bad thing? If anything it's a wonderful thing. I applaud Arizona for passing this bold legislation
    Nice false choice fallacy - either your support the Arizona law or you support illegal immigration.

    Maybe there's a better way to enforce immigration laws.

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    This "law" is ripe for abuse and as invariably happens, will be abused. It will also cause a plethora of both expected, and unanticipated problems for local and state LE. It's nothing more than a unicorn to appease to authoritarian fringers. It will "solve" nothing.

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    There's an interesting parallel to laws designed to enforce gun possession laws.

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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    Yes reading what it says would be quite important to understand what happened

    Perhaps this part might have been important to read
    Thats right and again if you had read carefully the concern came from the conversation he had with the officer. You have no idea what was said that set off the concern.

    Please read more carefully.
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    Whatever is required, the illegals will come up with it. They're not HS grads because, in the rural areas of Mexico, they are all home schooled. They are crafty.

    AZ's law says that they will except driver's licenses from other states. They will get DLs from other states. They will obtain bogus papers of any sort that are needed. There's a huge black market already in place where they get their vehicle inspection, tags, and bogus proof of insurance.

    This new law will result in quite a few arrests, detainments, and deportations in the early months after it is passed. Then it will trickle down to the current levels. And all of the Mexicans will be back.

    Should the economy improve, providing jobs for the illegals, they won't be seen in large numbers looking for work anymore. They'll be back to blending into the landscape.
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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    What, your justification is that the officer needs a reason to talk to me first? You know just talking to me could be considered "lawful contact," right?
    That is false. Please quote the law that says that.

    Then you go and rant about this, which is exactly the premise of my opposition to this bill.
    Still waiting for you to prove lawful contact means the police can make up a reason to be talking to you or for no reason at all.

    You know this is exactly what I was talking about, right? The man went to jail because he didn't have his papers with him. One-sided? That's the only side. The man went to jail because he didn't have his birth certificate on him.
    #1 He didn't go to jail. that is false.

    #2 He didn't get held because he didn't have his birth certificate. He was held because of the answers he gave the police which prompted them to ask for more evidence of residency. It is not a standard requirement. You have no idea what was said that set off the officers.
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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    All this fuss over simply trying to enforce a federal law that is already on the books. That's why they call them ILLEGAL immigrants.

    The Democrats don't care; they are merely trying to secure a voting base.

    The Republicans don't care; they have never agressively enforced what was already in existence.

    Meanwhile, the coyotes continue to charge $2,500 to illegals to get them in the country, and if they can't come up wih the cash, they are required to smuggle drugs in the process. All the while, crime along the borders is increasing, and America is becoming more and more vulnerable.

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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    All this fuss over simply trying to enforce a federal law that is already on the books. That's why they call them ILLEGAL immigrants.

    The Democrats don't care; they are merely trying to secure a voting base.

    The Republicans don't care; they have never agressively enforced what was already in existence.

    Meanwhile, the coyotes continue to charge $2,500 to illegals to get them in the country, and if they can't come up wih the cash, they are required to smuggle drugs in the process. All the while, crime along the borders is increasing, and America is becoming more and more vulnerable.



    Corection.

    Dems you have right on.


    But its the same for republicans, they don't want to piss off certain small businesses and farming groups, a voting base.
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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Excerpted from “Arizona immigration law: Will Mexico boycotts cripple trade? Mexico boycotts in response to the Arizona immigration law may put a dent in trade with Arizona's No. 1 partner.” By Sara Miller Llana, Staff writer, The Christian Science Monitor, April 28, 2010
    Fernando Jimenez, the Director of Trade and Investment for the Americas for the Arizona Department of Commerce, says that in 2009, nearly $4.5 billion worth of products were exported from the state to Mexico, which is Arizona’s No. 1 trading partner. That includes semiconductor chips, machinery, and plastics.

    “Trade with Mexico is extremely important for our state,” he says.

    Also, nearly 40 percent of fruits of vegetables imported to the US from Mexico pass through Arizona, according to research by the Colegio de la Frontera Norte.

    If boycotts from Mexico become widespread, it could hurt the state economy.

    Cesar Nava, the president of Mr. Calderon’s ruling National Action Party, called on Mexicans to abstain from visiting Arizona, in protest of the legislation and in solidarity with Mexicans already there.

    More threats could come in the days ahead. Mexican President Felipe Calderon, whose government condemned the law, said that trade and political ties will be “seriously affected.”
    I wonder where this will lead. Will business be hurt? Will tourism be hurt? Will Arizona's overall economic recovery be hurt? I rather think so on all counts.
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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Chappy View Post
    I wonder where this will lead. Will business be hurt? Will tourism be hurt? Will Arizona's overall economic recovery be hurt? I rather think so on all counts.




    I don't think so. Personally I'm pushing up my trip to phoenix to this year instead of next.
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