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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Excerpted from “Arizona immigration law: History, background,” The Arizona Republic, Apr. 23, 2010 02:29 PM
    Phoenix Vice Mayor Michael Nowakowski earlier in the week sent a letter to City Manager David Cavazos, suggesting that if the bill becomes law, police should request citizenship proof from everyone they stop in order to avoid charges of racial profiling.

    The bill states that an Arizona driver's license is sufficient to prove citizenship. Nowakowski argued that licenses from other states, however, may not be sufficient because some states do not require proof of citizenship to get a license, as Arizona does.

    "That means that anyone who drives in the city of Phoenix and gets pulled over better have a passport or a visa," he said.
    My emphasis.

    Here's another source on the problem with getting stopped by a policeman in Phoenix for any reason and why your home state driver's license may not be enough to keep you from being arrested as a possible illegal immigrant.
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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Chappy View Post
    I will certainly defer to your considerable expertise on fear mongering.

    And, again, the concerns I have are not about illegal immigration enforcement but about civil rights and violations thereof for a whole class of people. I think Arizonans have been badly misled by their political leadership who can't address their real problems of governmental fiscal default, the real estate market free fall, burgeoning unemployment and human despair. I think this law plays on all those anxieties and distracts from them, but serves no positive purpose other than justify the law makers own continued employment.
    I disagree. Some of us in AZ are fed up with the lack of response from the Federal Govt to deal with the issue of "illegal" crossing into our state. We are fed up with the illegal drugs, the coyote smugglers, drop houses, the trashing of the landscape, and other strains on our state caused by the illegals. If you want to come work here, enter legally. If not, please go to California. California is in such great shape economically. It is much better than AZ. They will take care of you.
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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Chappy View Post
    My emphasis.

    Here's another source on the problem with getting stopped by a policeman in Phoenix for any reason and why your home state driver's license may not be enough to keep you from being arrested as a possible illegal immigrant.
    This is nothing more than one politicians opinion. Got to remember, the mayor of Phoenix Phil, likes to cater to the illegals and give them a home. So his staff is just spouting his position.
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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    "It's like they're saying that harassing Latinos with racial profiling is an inevitable side-effect of this law. It's not. It's the entire point of this law.” — Stephen Colbert, “The Word,” Comedy Central's, “The Colbert Report,” Wednesday, April 21, 2010
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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Chappy View Post
    "It's like they're saying that harassing Latinos with racial profiling is an inevitable side-effect of this law. It's not. It's the entire point of this law.” — Stephen Colbert, “The Word,” Comedy Central's, “The Colbert Report,” Wednesday, April 21, 2010
    Isn't Colbert a comedian?
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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Chappy View Post
    "It's like they're saying that harassing Latinos with racial profiling is an inevitable side-effect of this law. It's not. It's the entire point of this law.” — Stephen Colbert, “The Word,” Comedy Central's, “The Colbert Report,” Wednesday, April 21, 2010
    Yep and we are proud of it. If you believe the crap he is spilling. He must be a comedian. His jobs a joke.
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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    You can't blame Arizona at all on this. I don't see the problem with it. If you are here illegally, what is wrong with a state picking up the slack for the federal government? After all, the costs for medical care, housing, crime, and public education associated with those that come here illegally is primarily born by the states, so why not let the states help enforce immigration law?

    I am left of center on a lot of issues. But the fact is, we can't afford to provide education and healthcare for the kids of every illegal that makes it across the Sonora Desert.
    I agree. However, I want to understand more about how it's going to be implemented.

    The left-leaning media is making a big deal over this -- the notion of police asking for identification or 'making people show their papers'. I believe they're talking about a driver's license or passport. You can't get a driver's lic. in CA without a birth cert. or proof of residency. I imagine it's the same with AZ. This is not 'show us your papers' like Communist Russia.

    I understand that some legal citizens are going to be annoyed in the early days, but if you take this measure to its logical conclusion, eventually the illegal worker population in AZ will go down and the police will be less inclined to stop everyone with brown skin. If they start detaining and harassing people who have proper ID, that would become a problem and hurt the overall effort. So constantly stopping legal citizens would be counter productive.

    If the police in AZ use this in a logical and pragmatic way, and not go overboard and harass everyone with brown skin, then I don't have a problem with it. In CA the state sales tax is almost 10% and we're still going bankrupt because of all the non-tax paying people draining public resources.

    Consider the economics of eliminating the migrant workers in CA--the price of certain goods (fruits, produce, CA wine) and services (landscaping) will go up. But the drain on public resources will go down significantly.

    The thing about AZ police and the boarder patrol--a lot of natural born hispanics work for local police departments and customs services--they are not totally insensitive to the people they are processing through the system. I don't like the way some portray them as Gestapo or Abu Ghraib guards. There have been abuses, but the police in AZ are dedicated to protecting the citizens of AZ. Joe Arpaio crosses the line with some of his methods, but on the whole AZ police and boarder patrol make an honest effort at dealing with difficult problems. IMHO.

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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    I'm from Az. If you don't like it, please take our illegals to your state. What part of "illegal" don't you protesters understand. Federal laws says its illegal to enter without permission. Now state law says yep it is against the state also. What is the problem? Guess you don't like the Federal law either.
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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Chappy View Post
    "It's like they're saying that harassing Latinos with racial profiling is an inevitable side-effect of this law. It's not. It's the entire point of this law.” — Stephen Colbert, “The Word,” Comedy Central's, “The Colbert Report,” Wednesday, April 21, 2010
    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Isn't Colbert a comedian?
    Quote Originally Posted by mike2810 View Post
    Yep and we are proud of it. If you believe the crap he is spilling. He must be a comedian. His jobs a joke.
    Yes, Stephen Colbert's a comedian but, of course, for him to be funny he has to be touching on some underlying reality.

    And, Stephen Colbert is not the only one observing Arizona decline into insanity!

    Excerpted from “What's the matter with Arizona?” By ANDY BARR, Politico, 4/23/10 2:50 PM EDT
    Arizona is “turning into a punch line,” one of the state’s newspapers reported Friday after surveying the latest global commentary about the state featuring choice phrases such as “wingnut paradise,” “nuttiest legislative body,” “America’s dumbest state,” and “blazing a trail into the fringe.”

    It was hardly news to Arizonans, though. Last fall, the state’s governor, Jan Brewer, was caught on video in Tucson expressing her “great relief, to say the least, to get out of that hellhole in Phoenix."

    Even some of the state’s own politicians have begun referring to Arizona as a “laughing stock.” …
    “Real environmentalists live in cities, and they visit what's left of the wilderness as gently and respectfully as possible.” — Donna Moulton, letter to the editor, Tucson Weekly, published on August 23, 2001

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