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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    I would hate to live in Arizona

    I hate that level of police power

    The police are to serve me, not the other way around. Not that they do a great job of it. Never having found my stolen motorcycle
    What makes you think it's any different in any other state?

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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Grim17 View Post
    What makes you think it's any different in any other state?
    In Minnesota if the police stop me on the street they can't haul me down to the station just because I have a German name and forgot my wallet.

    edit: because those things are not crimes.
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    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    In Minnesota if the police stop me on the street they can't haul me down to the station just because I have a German name and forgot my wallet.
    No **** Sherlock!

    Did you not read my post?

    They will ask you specific questions and check you out on the computer. If your info checks out, and your face matches the one that pops up on their computer screen, you are let go. That's all there is to it.

    Any citizen or legal resident knows their name, address and date of birth.

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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Chappy View Post
    There's nothing like biting the tit that feeds you, eh, Arizona? You just ****ed with your biggest international customer. Good luck with that.
    From your post 34.7million overnight visitors and 3.8million came from Mexico. So thats about 10%. Of the 3.8 million how many do you really think will stay away? To reduce the problem and hopefully get the Feds to do their job. I'll support what Az is doing.

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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    In Minnesota if the police stop me on the street they can't haul me down to the station just because I have a German name and forgot my wallet.

    edit: because those things are not crimes.
    And they can't do it here either!

    For God's sake read the LAW. They can only investigate legal status when talking to a person about something NOT related to their immigration status!!!

    FOR ANY LAWFUL CONTACT MADE BY A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICIAL OR AGENCY OF THIS STATE OR A COUNTY, CITY, TOWN OR OTHER POLITICAL SUBDIVISION OF THIS STATE WHERE REASONABLE SUSPICION EXISTS THAT THE PERSON IS AN ALIEN WHO IS UNLAWFULLY PRESENT IN THE UNITED STATES, A REASONABLE ATTEMPT SHALL BE MADE, WHEN PRACTICABLE, TO DETERMINE THE IMMIGRATION STATUS OF THE PERSON.


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    The sheer dishonesty of the pro illegal immigration side is staggering.

    NO officer can approach a person and that focus be on their immigration status! They MUST be first addressing another point of law such as speeding or other potential violation.

    Please pro illegal immigration people, stop trying to rewrite the law and read it as it is WRITTEN not how you FEEL it is written!
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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Looks good on the surface, but it is rotten underneath. As evidence, I present the case of a guy who, just a few days ago, was jailed because he did not provide police a birth certificate. BTW, he was born in the US. Also, notice his color.
    Read what it says

    Abdon, who did not want to use his last name, says he provided several key pieces of information but what he provided apparently was not what was needed.

    My God can you get a more one sided story?

    You have one side of the story, period. You have no idea what he told the police.
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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    Read what it says

    Abdon, who did not want to use his last name, says he provided several key pieces of information but what he provided apparently was not what was needed.

    My God can you get a more one sided story?

    You have one side of the story, period.
    Yes reading what it says would be quite important to understand what happened

    Perhaps this part might have been important to read

    Abdon was told he did not have enough paperwork on him when he pulled into a weigh station to have his commercial truck checked. He provided his commercial driver’s license and a social security number but ended up handcuffed.

    An agent called his wife and she had to leave work to drive home and grab other documents like his birth certificate.
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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    Yes reading what it says would be quite important to understand what happened

    Perhaps this part might have been important to read
    and the rest of the story:
    "A representative at U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) returned 3TV’s calls after researching the incident and she said this was standard operating procedure.

    The agents needed to verify Abdon was in the country legally and it is not uncommon to ask for someone's birth certificate. She also said this has nothing to do with the proposed bill or racial profiling." With the number of id theft and false SSN being used in AZ, I cannot blame ICE for wanting to make sure.

    So this happended before the law was signed and before its even enacted. Seems the Feds are saying its SOP. You think maybe since the story is now released in the news after the signing of the law that someone is playing the "race" card?
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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Where do any of those cases give local cops the authority to demand papers from Hispanic citizens based solely on their skin color or manner of speaking? That is what I am primarily arguing.
    Well, at least you sorta admitted you were wrong on that part... now let's go on to your next misrepresentation:

    Where in the law does it say that local law enforcement can or will demand papers based on skin color or manner of speaking ???

    Answer: It doesn't

    They can ONLY be asked to prove citizenship when being detained for some other reason such as a traffic stop. No one can walk down the street and demand papers for no reason.

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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    And they can't do it here either!

    For God's sake read the LAW. They can only investigate legal status when talking to a person about something NOT related to their immigration status!!!


    The sheer dishonesty of the pro illegal immigration side is staggering.

    NO officer can approach a person and that focus be on their immigration status! They MUST be first addressing another point of law such as speeding or other potential violation.

    Please pro illegal immigration people, stop trying to rewrite the law and read it as it is WRITTEN not how you FEEL it is written!
    What, your justification is that the officer needs a reason to talk to me first? You know just talking to me could be considered "lawful contact," right?

    Then you go and rant about this, which is exactly the premise of my opposition to this bill.

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    Read what it says

    Abdon, who did not want to use his last name, says he provided several key pieces of information but what he provided apparently was not what was needed.

    My God can you get a more one sided story?

    You have one side of the story, period. You have no idea what he told the police.
    You know this is exactly what I was talking about, right? The man went to jail because he didn't have his papers with him. One-sided? That's the only side. The man went to jail because he didn't have his birth certificate on him.
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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