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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    From a political standpoint, I think the Republican party has just committed suicide in Arizona.

    Look what happened in California 20 years ago. It was Democratic, but Republicans were making inroads, mostly due to Hispanic support. Then Republicans attempted to pass a similar law to Arizona's, one that would ban undocumented immigrants to services, which included even treatment at hospitals. Since then, Hispanics have been solidly in the Democrats' pockets.

    In Arizona, John Kyl won his Senate seat with 41% of the Latino vote. You can expect this vote to evaporate overnight. Not only that, but Arizona is a state where white people will be a minority by 2015. Put it all together, and you will realize that the Republican party is now in it's death throes in Arizona.

    You all know how I feel about illegal immigration. I am for sending them back, ALL OF THEM. However, I am not for violating the Constitution in doing so. People are screaming "Then how can address the problem of illegal immigration?". Easy as hell. You charge employers who hire them with felonies, and throw them in jail. That will kill illegal immigration quickly. If they don't have a way to make a living here, they will return to where they came from. Duh!! So why isn't Arizona doing this? I will tell you the reason - Most employers are white, that's why.
    After reading the bill and the Arizona governor's Executive Order, "Establishing Law Enforcement Training for Immigration Laws", I do not see how this is violating the Constitution. It is clearly backing up current federal laws. There definitely is a need for something like this. Additionally, the borders need to be secured to slow down illegal immigration [but, of course, still continue legal immigration].

    Her Executive Order:
    http://azgovernor.gov/dms/upload/EO_201009.pdf

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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    DID ANYONE see this ?
    Mexico turns table on travel advisory, issues warning on trips to Arizona

    Mexico turns table on travel advisory, issues warning on trips to Arizona | La Plaza | Los Angeles Times

    Is there enough legal travel from Mexico to Arizona to make a diference ?

    So now the legal visitors will bg Zona but the illegal aliens will sneak in under ther RADAR.

    Mexican President Felipe Calderon slammed the law as racist and hateful.

    "As was clear during the [Arizona] legislative process, there is a negative political environment for migrant communities and for all Mexican visitors," the Mexican Foreign Relations Ministry said in its alert, posted in Spanish and English on the ministry's website.
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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Porchev View Post
    After reading the bill and the Arizona governor's Executive Order, "Establishing Law Enforcement Training for Immigration Laws", I do not see how this is violating the Constitution. It is clearly backing up current federal laws. There definitely is a need for something like this. Additionally, the borders need to be secured to slow down illegal immigration [but, of course, still continue legal immigration].

    Her Executive Order:
    http://azgovernor.gov/dms/upload/EO_201009.pdf
    Thank you Justice Alito !! ( ooops that's not an illegal name is it? )
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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Porchev View Post
    After reading the bill and the Arizona governor's Executive Order, "Establishing Law Enforcement Training for Immigration Laws", I do not see how this is violating the Constitution. It is clearly backing up current federal laws. There definitely is a need for something like this. Additionally, the borders need to be secured to slow down illegal immigration [but, of course, still continue legal immigration].

    Her Executive Order:
    http://azgovernor.gov/dms/upload/EO_201009.pdf
    This is also contained in the law, that I'm posting especially for those of you who are comparing Arizona to Nazi Germany:

    A PERSON IS PRESUMED TO NOT BE AN ALIEN WHO IS UNLAWFULLY PRESENT IN THE UNITED STATES IF THE PERSON PROVIDES TO THE LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER OR AGENCY ANY OF THE FOLLOWING:
    1. A VALID ARIZONA DRIVER LICENSE.
    2. A VALID ARIZONA NONOPERATING IDENTIFICATION LICENSE.
    3. A VALID TRIBAL ENROLLMENT CARD OR OTHER FORM OF TRIBAL
    IDENTIFICATION.
    4. IF THE ENTITY REQUIRES PROOF OF LEGAL PRESENCE IN THE UNITED STATES BEFORE ISSUANCE, ANY VALID UNITED STATES FEDERAL, STATE OR LOCAL GOVERNMENT ISSUED IDENTIFICATION.

    So if a person has any of the preceding, they are assumed to be in the country legally. Guess what folks, everyone in Arizona has to produce one of those forms of ID when questioned by the police, no matter what color your skin is.

    Sorry, but I'm just not seeing the Nazi thing here?

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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Grim17 View Post
    This is also contained in the law, that I'm posting especially for those of you who are comparing Arizona to Nazi Germany:

    A PERSON IS PRESUMED TO NOT BE AN ALIEN WHO IS UNLAWFULLY PRESENT IN THE UNITED STATES IF THE PERSON PROVIDES TO THE LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER OR AGENCY ANY OF THE FOLLOWING:
    1. A VALID ARIZONA DRIVER LICENSE.
    2. A VALID ARIZONA NONOPERATING IDENTIFICATION LICENSE.
    3. A VALID TRIBAL ENROLLMENT CARD OR OTHER FORM OF TRIBAL
    IDENTIFICATION.
    4. IF THE ENTITY REQUIRES PROOF OF LEGAL PRESENCE IN THE UNITED STATES BEFORE ISSUANCE, ANY VALID UNITED STATES FEDERAL, STATE OR LOCAL GOVERNMENT ISSUED IDENTIFICATION.
    So if a person has any of the preceding, they are assumed to be in the country legally. Guess what folks, everyone in Arizona has to produce one of those forms of ID when questioned by the police, no matter what color your skin is.

    Sorry, but I'm just not seeing the Nazi thing here?

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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Grim17 View Post
    This is also contained in the law, that I'm posting especially for those of you who are comparing Arizona to Nazi Germany:

    A PERSON IS PRESUMED TO NOT BE AN ALIEN WHO IS UNLAWFULLY PRESENT IN THE UNITED STATES IF THE PERSON PROVIDES TO THE LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER OR AGENCY ANY OF THE FOLLOWING:
    1. A VALID ARIZONA DRIVER LICENSE.
    2. A VALID ARIZONA NONOPERATING IDENTIFICATION LICENSE.
    3. A VALID TRIBAL ENROLLMENT CARD OR OTHER FORM OF TRIBAL
    IDENTIFICATION.
    4. IF THE ENTITY REQUIRES PROOF OF LEGAL PRESENCE IN THE UNITED STATES BEFORE ISSUANCE, ANY VALID UNITED STATES FEDERAL, STATE OR LOCAL GOVERNMENT ISSUED IDENTIFICATION.

    So if a person has any of the preceding, they are assumed to be in the country legally. Guess what folks, everyone in Arizona has to produce one of those forms of ID when questioned by the police, no matter what color your skin is.

    Sorry, but I'm just not seeing the Nazi thing here?

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    How about that you have to be carring ID with you at all time.

    Out for a jog, better have your papers with you.

    Swimming in a lake, better have your papers with yoi

    Taking your dog for a walk, better have your papers with you

    Or face being arrested as a suspected illegal immigrant.

    In a free country if I dont want to carry my id when going for a walk, I should not face jail for doing so
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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Excerpted from “Business leaders worry Arizona's immigration bill may keep tourists, employers away” by Dawn Gilbertson and Betty Beard, The Arizona Republic, Apr. 22, 2010 12:00 AM
    Of the 37.4 million overnight visitors that year [2008], 3.8 million came from Mexico, the largest source of international visitors, according to the Arizona Office of Tourism. …
    There's nothing like biting the tit that feeds you, eh, Arizona? You just ****ed with your biggest international customer. Good luck with that.
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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    How about that you have to be carring ID with you at all time.

    Out for a jog, better have your papers with you.

    Swimming in a lake, better have your papers with yoi

    Taking your dog for a walk, better have your papers with you

    Or face being arrested as a suspected illegal immigrant.

    In a free country if I dont want to carry my id when going for a walk, I should not face jail for doing so
    Having lived in Arizona I can tell you, that it is the law that EVERYONE carry legal identification in public. I know this based on personal experience, having once been stopped by police while walking home from the store late one evening. They simply asked me a few questions like my name, address and date of birth, then called it in to make sure I was who I said I was. After I checked out, they informed me that it was the law in Arizona that adults must carry some form of identification when in public.

    If they can ask me to prove who I am, and require me to carry the same ID as the new law requires, then it's not discriminatory nor can it possibly be racial profiling, since I'm a green eyed white boy of mixed European decent who's family has been in the US for half a dozen generations.

    Now what do you have to say?

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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    How about that you have to be carring ID with you at all time.

    Out for a jog, better have your papers with you.

    Swimming in a lake, better have your papers with yoi

    Taking your dog for a walk, better have your papers with you

    Or face being arrested as a suspected illegal immigrant.

    In a free country if I dont want to carry my id when going for a walk, I should not face jail for doing so
    Papiere, bitte. In Arizona, we literally do not have the right to walk around without proof of citizenship anymore, because that's grounds for detainment. And like our conservative friends keep saying, it's not about race. Everyone is subject to this.
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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Grim17 View Post
    Having lived in Arizona I can tell you, that it is the law that EVERYONE carry legal identification in public. I know this based on personal experience, having once been stopped by police while walking home from the store late one evening. They simply asked me a few questions like my name, address and date of birth, then called it in to make sure I was who I said I was. After I checked out, they informed me that it was the law in Arizona that adults must carry some form of identification when in public.

    If they can ask me to prove who I am, and require me to carry the same ID as the new law requires, then it's not discriminatory nor can it possibly be racial profiling, since I'm a green eyed white boy of mixed European decent who's family has been in the US for half a dozen generations.

    Now what do you have to say?
    I would hate to live in Arizona

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