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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by cholla View Post
    Did you read the article, I could find nothing but one mans opinion there, no facts, gross misrepresentation of what the law states.
    I thought that it was very clear that the article was an opinion piece as per "Just another view ". EOS ! case closed ..
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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by RyrineaHaruno View Post
    Why bring gender in to this? 0_o : Is it because that I myself am a female that is going against this bill, because I think it is Fascism at it finest. My dad who is a Conservative also think it is Fascism.


    You don't get the point to being with Scarecrow most people are not rough with the police, if they haven't had trouble with them in the first place... That is what my father has noticed as he is in the field a lot doing his job as the fire marshal/cop.
    The law is not necessarily just Fascist but it does appear that it was written with draconian intent and it is authoritarian. Draconian intent and authoritarian policies are not solely characteristics of Fascism but let us remember that those two characteristics were revered fondly by the USSR, Red China, Sadam’s Iraq, today’s Russia and other bottom dwelling countries
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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by RyrineaHaruno View Post
    Russia did the same thing during the fascist state they had, so in way it is fascism.
    Don't you mean the fascist state they have ? Russia is not exactly a democratic free country the last time I asked one of their prisoners - Uh minorities such as Chechens or Tatars...
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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    The entire debate comes down to this section of the bill....

    FOR ANY LAWFUL CONTACT MADE BY A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICIAL OR AGENCY OF THIS STATE OR A COUNTY, CITY, TOWN OR OTHER POLITICAL SUBDIVISION OF THIS STATE WHERE REASONABLE SUSPICION EXISTS THAT THE PERSON IS AN ALIEN WHO IS UNLAWFULLY PRESENT IN THE UNITED STATES, A REASONABLE ATTEMPT SHALL BE MADE, WHEN PRACTICABLE, TO DETERMINE THE IMMIGRATION STATUS OF THE PERSON.

    What is "reasonable suspicion"? That they have brown skin? That they speak with an accent? There could be a thousand different interpretations of what is reasonable in suspecting someone is an illegal.

    It's the vagueness of those words that make this a poorly written bill. It leaves it to law enforcement to decide what a reasonable suspicion is and that is why the bill could be used to target legal Hispanics.
    Right - REASONABLE people can resonably diagree as to reasonable means.
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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    Indeed.

    I carry my passport with me everywhere even though I'm not required to, and my driver's license. I have no issue making sure authorities know who I am - whether I'm committing a crime or not.
    Well then you must be the quintessential well prepared and documented criminal if you “have no issue making sure authorities know who I am - whether I'm committing a crime or not “. Congratulations -
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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Chappy View Post
    Thanks for the opinion but let's have a court decide how carefully crafted the law is.
    The bottom line is that the Obama administration ignored the illegal invasion for 15 months. But wait, oh my God, the Bush II administration ignored it for 96 months as did the ClintoniIan regime. This law will most likely be found unconstitutional because it very likely is flawed. The reason that it is flawed is because it was conceived in fear and propped up by ignorance and maybe prejudice along with a good sprinkling of xenophobia. Now that does not mean that illegals have any right to be here because they do not.
    What it means is that it is way past time for the Federal’s to man up and do something about the open border that we obviously have. But Federal’s’ you need to do this the right way before 25 more idiot state legislatures create the Frankenstein’s monster that the buffoons of Arizona created.
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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by F107HyperSabr View Post
    Well then you must be the quintessential well prepared and documented criminal if you “have no issue making sure authorities know who I am - whether I'm committing a crime or not “. Congratulations -
    Refusing to identify myself would only make things more difficult for ME.

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    “… [N]o law can really be enforced without the help of the community, that's why I was so happy to see this picture posted on the internet showing one helpful Arizonans answer: I am Mexican, pull me over. That saves a lot of guesswork. (And fun prank on neighbor)” — Stephen Colbert†
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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Chappy View Post


    *clicky*

    “… [N]o law can really be enforced without the help of the community, that's why I was so happy to see this picture posted on the internet showing one helpful Arizonans answer: I am Mexican, pull me over. That saves a lot of guesswork. (And fun prank on neighbor)” — Stephen Colbert†
    OMG and he is driving CHEBBY !!! Sorry couldn't help it I make funof almost every group.
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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    From a political standpoint, I think the Republican party has just committed suicide in Arizona.

    Look what happened in California 20 years ago. It was Democratic, but Republicans were making inroads, mostly due to Hispanic support. Then Republicans attempted to pass a similar law to Arizona's, one that would ban undocumented immigrants to services, which included even treatment at hospitals. Since then, Hispanics have been solidly in the Democrats' pockets.

    In Arizona, John Kyl won his Senate seat with 41% of the Latino vote. You can expect this vote to evaporate overnight. Not only that, but Arizona is a state where white people will be a minority by 2015. Put it all together, and you will realize that the Republican party is now in it's death throes in Arizona.

    You all know how I feel about illegal immigration. I am for sending them back, ALL OF THEM. However, I am not for violating the Constitution in doing so. People are screaming "Then how can address the problem of illegal immigration?". Easy as hell. You charge employers who hire them with felonies, and throw them in jail. That will kill illegal immigration quickly. If they don't have a way to make a living here, they will return to where they came from. Duh!! So why isn't Arizona doing this? I will tell you the reason - Most employers are white, that's why.
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