But I don't care. As it stands now, it will only take one bored, racist cop to lead to this law being overturned by the courts.
Last edited by CriticalThought; 04-27-10 at 01:25 PM.
The ones that don't speak English are illegal and the ones that grew up here do.
Your argument does not hold water in the real world.
I am a contractor in Phoenix, there are already laws here that say you must e-verify new employees, the penalty for hiring illegals can be a fine or loss of your business license.
That said, I think that there have been only 2 cases where anything was done to the employeer and both of those were recent (the law is about 3 years old) and only after multiple violations. I personally stopped hiring illegals when the law went into effect (too much liability, if I lose my license my family and all my employees familys no longer have an income)
This new law has more teeth as far as the employeers are concerned.
If every day you got stopped several times on the street by cops and were asked to show them your ID just because of your skin color or the way you spoke, then I think it would bother you quite a bit. Local cops have no right to bother a citizen without probable cause. There isn't even anything in this bill that highlights what "probable cause" is when it comes to determining who is and who isn't an illegal.I have to show an ID to buy sinus medicine for my wife. If they are legal citizens, they should have no problem with this law.
Last edited by CriticalThought; 04-27-10 at 01:44 PM.
What is a cop supposed to base this "reasonable suspicion" on? Also, do you usually carry proof of citizenship around? I don't. (driver's license is not proof)
It must be nice to live in your world where the police would never abuse this law to detain people when they would otherwise not have the probable cause to do so. "I don't have any evidence of any crime but I suspect he's an immigrant because of his accent!"
edit: I should also point out that "reasonable suspicion" and "probable cause" are not the same thing, legally speaking.
Last edited by Deuce; 04-27-10 at 01:45 PM.
One of you will end up here next!
“I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on what’s being proposed here, he’d agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute.” - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.
My point is that this law is too vague. Tell me. Exactly what is probable cause in determining whether a person is illegal or not? At what point can a local enforcement officer step in and ask someone for their citizenship papers? What in this bill protects Hispanic citizens from being harassed by local enforcement simply because of their skin color or manner of speaking?I think you are grasping at straws to make your point here.
I want to protect out borders as much as anyone, but not through bad legislation which gives local cops a free license to harrass anyone whom they can make up a "probable cause" to harass.