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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    That's about as ridiculous as saying that being Roman Catholic is probable cause for being a child molester.
    How?You have to pass a English comprehension test to be a citizen and if you were born and raised in the US you should already speak english.SO the only people who would not be fluent in English would those who are here legally and are already required by law to have their documents on them and those who are here illegally. So if you get pulled over or have to stop at a check point and have to have an interpreter to talk you then it obvious that you are either here illegally or you should have some immigration documents on you to prove that you are legally here in this country.
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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    That's about as ridiculous as saying that being Roman Catholic is probable cause for being a child molester.
    Because being roman catholic is required for being a child molester?


    Because you know... English is required to pass a US citizenship test. Therefore, not knowing English is an indication that one is not a US citizen. They could, however, be visiting the US on a visa. In which case, they should be well aware that any time you are visiting a country on a visa, you need to keep your passport and visa on hand at ALL times.

    And like... OMG... they might actually have to show it to someone. Oh the horror of it all. How will they EVER overcome such mistreatment?!

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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by aps View Post
    I'm just going to be brief. For whatever reason, I am not appalled by this law. I dunno. I essentially carry my license with me at all times. If I had to show proof of citizenship by showing a passport, I'd carry that around with me at all times and would have no problem proving my citizenship.

    According to an article I read, Arizona has something like 600,000 illegal immigrants. I'm sorry, but get out of my country!

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    Good for you!

    But would you agree that simply deporting them does nothing with a porous border? Isn't the best way to dissuade illegals from coming and staying in this country to dry up the job market by investigating and applying heavy fines to the employers who give them jobs?

    This bill addresses 30% of the problem... much more needs to be done IMO.
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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by aps View Post
    I'm just going to be brief. For whatever reason, I am not appalled by this law. I dunno. I essentially carry my license with me at all times. If I had to show proof of citizenship by showing a passport, I'd carry that around with me at all times and would have no problem proving my citizenship.

    According to an article I read, Arizona has something like 600,000 illegal immigrants. I'm sorry, but get out of my country!

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    Indeed.

    I carry my passport with me everywhere even though I'm not required to, and my driver's license. I have no issue making sure authorities know who I am - whether I'm committing a crime or not.

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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Perhaps that's true in a very limited number of locations in this United States...maybe some pockets of Texas, Arizona, New Mexico or in my own state, New Brunwick New Jersey... but applying that to the entire country would be incorrect. We can't just assume a person is not a citizen - and laws apply equally. If a person is stopped in these pockets/areas, it may be prudent to question them.
    In order to be a citizen you have to pass a english comprehension test.


    My question is, let's say they find illegals - now what? Use the standard ICE or INS system? They'll be back over the border the next day...
    Then perhaps when they come back they will be California's,New Mexico's or Texas's or any other states that harbor illegal's problem. They will just find Arizona, Oklahoma and any other states that do not harbor illegals inhospitable to illegals.
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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    Why the **** do you guys keep ignoring the "probable cause" part of this law. It is no different than any other law with "probable cause" as the caveat.

    Cops can search your person or property NOW with probable cause. Do you see them just running around doing it willy nilly? **** no. They have more important things to do than to harass people for no ****ing reason. In other words, without probable cause.
    The bill says all they need is "reasonable suspicion." What is that to be based on?
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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    In order to be a citizen you have to pass a english comprehension test.
    If you are an IMMIGRANT yes, but not everyone who doesn't speak English is an immigrant. Some were BORN in this country and DO NOT speak English. It is NOT a requirement to pass an English comprehension test to be a citizen if you are BORN here.

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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    If you are an IMMIGRANT yes, but not everyone who doesn't speak English is an immigrant. Some were BORN in this country and DO NOT speak English. It is NOT a requirement to pass an English comprehension test to be a citizen if you are BORN here.
    It i a requirement that you go to school when are certain age though and in which case you are taught in english.
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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    The bill says all they need is "reasonable suspicion." What is that to be based on?
    Suspicions that are reasonable. Again, this is not the only application of such rules. Do cops just harass everyone on sight because they can supposedly make "reasonable suspicion" or "probable cause" to mean anything they want?

    Of course not. Why in the world do you think this would be any different?

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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by aps View Post
    I'm just going to be brief. For whatever reason, I am not appalled by this law. I dunno. I essentially carry my license with me at all times. If I had to show proof of citizenship by showing a passport, I'd carry that around with me at all times and would have no problem proving my citizenship.

    According to an article I read, Arizona has something like 600,000 illegal immigrants. I'm sorry, but get out of my country!

    (This is where I show my independence from Democrats. )
    I have one concern with the bill, and that is the potential for US citizens who are hispanic to get harassed, but that is only a potential problem that I hope does not materialize. Illegal immigration is a problem in this country, and in Arizona, and they should certainly be allowed to work to solve that problem by the best method available, which is getting illegals the hell out.
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