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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Chappy View Post
    The issue is that in Arizona, you are now required by law to carry with you at all times proof of your citizenship or legal entry into the state
    IF you are not a natural born or naturalized(I could be wrong about the naturalized not have to carry their Certificate of U.S. Naturalization) citizen you have to have those documents on you at all times regardless of Arizona law and regardless if you are a tourist, on a work visa or have a permanent resident card.

    and that a police officer can demand those papers for any reason;you are wearing the wrong sneakers; the shape of your hat suggests a foreign style, etc.
    I find it interesting that a non-Arizona drivers license may be insufficient proof that you are here legally.
    This sounds like pro-illegals propaganda/ fear mongering.
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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Chappy View Post
    The issue is that in Arizona, you are now required by law to carry with you at all times proof of your citizenship or legal entry into the state and that a police officer can demand those papers for any reason; you are wearing the wrong sneakers; the shape of your hat suggests a foreign style, etc. I find it interesting that a non-Arizona drivers license may be insufficient proof that you are here legally.
    You got proof to back up this assertion?
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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    IF you are not a natural born or naturalized(I could be wrong about the naturalized not have to carry their Certificate of U.S. Naturalization) citizen you have to have those documents on you at all times regardless of Arizona law and regardless if you are a tourist, on a work visa or have a permanent resident card.



    This sounds like pro-illegals propaganda
    Policemen do abuse their authorities though - not all of them, and hardly all the time, but the fact is that we have seen more issues with police and the dance they do on that very fine line between doing their job and power tripping - the crossing of said line makes this concern that they will target people based on appearance and make up a bull**** reason to be covered under "probable cause" plausible, IMO.
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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    There's your lack of thought again.

    This isn't passing because of illegals breaking immigration law. Its passing because of the other crimes illegals commit.
    Did you even read the article?

    Immigration law:

    The sweeping legislation makes it a crime under state law to be in the country illegally. It would also require local police officers to question people about their immigration status if there is reason to suspect they are illegally.
    Your ignorance is shinning through.
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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    I support the bill in its concept I'm just concerned about how its going to be enforced, and I'm worried the cure might be worse than the disease.
    For example since natural or naturalized citizens do not have to carry any special paperwork on them, anyone who is an illegal immigrant or someone else who has to carry papers now can simply claim to be a natural citizen. So how would you tell if someone was required to carry these papers or not?

    The most obvious method is racial profiling, which I'm not saying is entirely wrong in all situations, however it is politically and socially sensitive.

    What it could be useful for if officers always take people at their word if they tell them they dont need any papers, is to slap an additional charge if that person is later arrested for something. Since officers won't be doing random checks, if someone is confronted by an officer, then later arrested, when they check him into the database it'll show that he needed these papers but lied when the officer questioned him about them earlier, even if what he was arrested for had nothing to do with those papers.

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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Chappy View Post
    . I find it interesting that a non-Arizona drivers license may be insufficient proof that you are here legally.
    Where did you here/read that? Did you read the law or are you getting your information from news media spin? Did you hear the part where the law copies/follows the federal law?

    If its ok with you all the illegals in AZ can go to SF. You won't have any objections?
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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    … This sounds like pro-illegals propaganda/ fear mongering.
    I will certainly defer to your considerable expertise on fear mongering.

    As to what constitutes as the kind of papers you'll need on your next visit to Arizona, I can provide this …

    Excerpted from ‘“Papers, Please” in Arizona’ Posted by Jim Harper, CATO@Liberty, April 22, 2010 @ 1:46 pm
    The documents that can be used to prove legal immigration status under the bill include a valid Arizona driver license, a valid Arizona nonoperating identification license, a valid tribal enrollment card or other tribal identification, or a valid federal-, state- or local-government-issued identification, if the issuing entity requires proof of legal presence before issuance.
    And, again, the concerns I have are not about illegal immigration enforcement but about civil rights and violations thereof for a whole class of people. I think Arizonans have been badly misled by their political leadership who can't address their real problems of governmental fiscal default, the real estate market free fall, burgeoning unemployment and human despair. I think this law plays on all those anxieties and distracts from them, but serves no positive purpose other than justify the law makers own continued employment.
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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    I support the bill in its concept I'm just concerned about how its going to be enforced, and I'm worried the cure might be worse than the disease.
    For example since natural or naturalized citizens do not have to carry any special paperwork on them, anyone who is an illegal immigrant or someone else who has to carry papers now can simply claim to be a natural citizen. So how would you tell if someone was required to carry these papers or not?
    If they do not speak English then that might a huge clue seeing how naturalized citizens have to pass a English proficiency test. I am pretty sure that if you a driver's license or ID card the police can look up those numbers to see if you actually have the real thing.
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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    If they do not speak English then that might a huge clue seeing how naturalized citizens have to pass a English proficiency test. I am pretty sure that if you a driver's license or ID card the police can look up those numbers to see if you actually have the real thing.
    Good point on the driver's license

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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    For those of you who can read english SB1070 for your enjoyment

    http://www.azleg.gov/legtext/49leg/2r/bills/sb1070s.pdf
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