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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    You are asked for your ID at banks, when you apply for a job and anytime you are stopped by police without it ever once violating the 4th ammendment so your claims that this law is any different is completely false.
    The banks or job applications are voluntary showing of ID and I can't get arrested for not having my ID with me.

    The police don't have the right to just stop me for no reason. Pulled over for speeding? Fine, check ID and issue a ticket.

    But let's say I'm walking down the street, and I don't have my wallet with me. A police officer can now approach me and force me to prove my citizenship. If I can't, he can detain me until my identity is proven.

    Papiere, bitte.

    edit: Would you support a law that allows police officers to verify purchase records and serial numbers of any and all firearms in the state? They go to the shooting range and start checking for permits. Don't have it on you? Gun confiscated and you're taken into custody until it gets sorted out.
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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    But let's say I'm walking down the street, and I don't have my wallet with me. A police officer can now approach me and force me to prove my citizenship. If I can't, he can detain me until my identity is proven.
    Why the **** do you guys keep ignoring the "probable cause" part of this law. It is no different than any other law with "probable cause" as the caveat.

    Cops can search your person or property NOW with probable cause. Do you see them just running around doing it willy nilly? **** no. They have more important things to do than to harass people for no ****ing reason. In other words, without probable cause.

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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    I applaud the Arizona legislators who passed this bill and the Arizona governor who signed it. It's refreshing to see politicians actually doing their job rather than avoiding offending anyone merely to keep it.

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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Chappy View Post
    “I believe it's not going to have the kind of economic impact that some people think that it might.” — Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer¹

    Oh, really? Methinks that Arizona's competitors for all types of travel are circling like sharks.

    “The Arizona immigration bill signed into law today could have a chilling effect on international business travel, investment, and tourism in that state, as many people from around the world may think twice before visiting Arizona and subjecting themselves to potential run-ins with the police. As a city, New York may well benefit from another state undermining its own international competitiveness - we're happy to have those businesses and tourists come here.” — NY Mayor Michael Bloomberg²

    And, there are others calling for a boycott who rightly reflect on the injustice of the Arizona law.

    “We want to send a message. There are consequences when you target a whole people.” — San Francisco Supervisor David Campos³

    All these reactions are happening much faster than 1990, the last time Arizona publicly stepped in ****.

    So Arizona should allow illegal immigration because of a few pro-illegals scum? Using quotes from officials from Sanfransicko and NewYork whining about tough anti-illegal immigration is like using the KKK,LaRaza or black panthers to prove a point about race. Until Sanfransicko and NewYork stop being sanctuaries for illegals they should shut the hell up about others wishing to solve their own illegal immigration problem.
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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    The liberal pundits w/ Al Sharpton this morning are sure this will galvanize the miniority vote for Democrats this 2010 against Republicans. It's already being used as a political / race wedge for political purposes. Since this singles out a specific racial group and it doesn't apply to little old caucasion ladies and Asian children, it's obviously racist and therefore requires riots in the street. The constant shills on MSNBC parroting Saturday Night Live's quote regarding "show me your papers please" with the German accent is about as over the top ad hominem one can get.

    Maybe if Washington doesn't like it, they can come up with something better.
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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    No it is not probabe cause if a person is not speaking english.
    Its probable cause that person is not a naturalized citizen or natural born citizen.
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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Its probable cause that person is not a naturalized citizen or natural born citizen.
    That's about as ridiculous as saying that being Roman Catholic is probable cause for being a child molester.

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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    My dad is very conservative who is very worried about this bill as well. He considers it part of a fascist regime. He is also a fire marshal who arrest people for committing arson's and such fire related crimes. I worry that he would be put in danger from someone who was bullied by this law, or something if this law was put on the national scale.. This is my worry as well that this is taken our freedoms away from us, because you don't speak the language, or the fact that you don't speak it very well.
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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Its probable cause that person is not a naturalized citizen or natural born citizen.
    Perhaps that's true in a very limited number of locations in this United States...maybe some pockets of Texas, Arizona, New Mexico or in my own state, New Brunwick New Jersey... but applying that to the entire country would be incorrect. We can't just assume a person is not a citizen - and laws apply equally. If a person is stopped in these pockets/areas, it may be prudent to question them. My question is, let's say they find illegals - now what? Use the standard ICE or INS system? They'll be back over the border the next day...
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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    I'm just going to be brief. For whatever reason, I am not appalled by this law. I dunno. I essentially carry my license with me at all times. If I had to show proof of citizenship by showing a passport, I'd carry that around with me at all times and would have no problem proving my citizenship.

    According to an article I read, Arizona has something like 600,000 illegal immigrants. I'm sorry, but get out of my country!

    (This is where I show my independence from Democrats. )

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