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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Then maybe you should support laws that do just that, instead of laws that can be used to discriminate against a certain group of people in the name of removing illegals.
    How does it discriminate against a specific group when it targets all illegals?
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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    How does it discriminate against a specific group when it targets all illegals?
    Anyone is targeted if the police officer feels like it. Apparently that is good enough to bypass the 4th amendment now.

    The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

    Funny how selective conservatives get when they support bills like this. Only targets illegals my ass.

    edit: Did it occur to you that you only seem to rail about personal rights when it supports your personal political beliefs?
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    How does it discriminate against a specific group when it targets all illegals?
    You don't listen very well. Nobody here is arguing against a law that targets illegals. They are arguing against a law that requires anyone to submit documents to police proving that they are legal or face being arrested. That gives the police quite a bit of power to find anyone with brown skin and ask for their papers. The law is too broad and gives the police too much discretion. If the law did only target illegals, then very few people would be complaining. But the law is poorly written and so it can serve as a tool of discrimination.

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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Anyone is targeted if the police officer feels like it. Apparently that is good enough to bypass the 4th amendment now.

    The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

    Funny how selective conservatives get when they support bills like this. Only targets illegals my ass.

    edit: Did it occur to you that you only seem to rail about personal rights when it supports your personal political beliefs?
    Is the real problem this bill or the fact that the federal government does not enforce the law protecting our borders.

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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by washunut View Post
    Is the real problem this bill or the fact that the federal government does not enforce the law protecting our borders.
    Two separate problems. A badly written state bill that can discriminate and an inactive federal government are two entirely independent problems.

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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    You don't listen very well. Nobody here is arguing against a law that targets illegals. They are arguing against a law that requires anyone to submit documents to police proving that they are legal or face being arrested. That gives the police quite a bit of power to find anyone with brown skin and ask for their papers. The law is too broad and gives the police too much discretion. If the law did only target illegals, then very few people would be complaining. But the law is poorly written and so it can serve as a tool of discrimination.

    Hey you got a problem with that??? Who started the problem in the 1st place???


    OHHHHHHHHHHHHHH yeah! It was the ****ing MEXICANS!
    If people want to get mad.... get mad at the ILLEGAL MEXICANS that broke the mother ****ing LAW!!!!!!!!!!!

    Let the LEGAL mexicans here get mad at the ILLEGAL ones.

    But bottom line is when they get pulled over and get asked for license and registration and they dont have one..... that isnt profiling.

    Illegals dont deserve ANYthing from our Country except a kick in the ass BACK to Mexico! Break OUR laws to enter our Country and expect us to be gracious? HELL NO!!!!!!!!!

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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by washunut View Post
    Is the real problem this bill or the fact that the federal government does not enforce the law protecting our borders.
    This bill lets a police officer detain you until your documents are proven valid based on a "suspicion."

    So yes this bill is the problem.
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by The Giant Noodle View Post
    Hey you got a problem with that??? Who started the problem in the 1st place???


    OHHHHHHHHHHHHHH yeah! It was the ****ing MEXICANS!
    If people want to get mad.... get mad at the ILLEGAL MEXICANS that broke the mother ****ing LAW!!!!!!!!!!!

    Let the LEGAL mexicans here get mad at the ILLEGAL ones.

    But bottom line is when they get pulled over and get asked for license and registration and they dont have one..... that isnt profiling.

    Illegals dont deserve ANYthing from our Country except a kick in the ass BACK to Mexico! Break OUR laws to enter our Country and expect us to be gracious? HELL NO!!!!!!!!!

    I'm sorry but I have to ask:

    Are you a real person?
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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    This bill lets a police officer detain you until your documents are proven valid based on a "suspicion."

    So yes this bill is the problem.
    Yes this bill is a problem. Has anyone on this site recommended a better solution. We know that the Federal government, under several administrations has dropped the ball on this.

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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    I'm sorry but I have to ask:

    Are you a real person?

    If you havent noticed yet...... Im a Giant Noodle!!!!!

    I see youre right on top of things Sherlock!
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