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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by cholla View Post
    What does that prove, other than the auther wrote his name? He mentioned GW Bush too, does that mean Bush is responsible for this law? HMMM Texas is not that far from AZ, Maybe he did do it.
    The author, Greg Palast, is an investigative journalist. It's one more article on what's going on down there.
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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    As they can check your id in such cases, why do they need a law to check id, in which they already have the legal right to do so?

    Or if I am doing something illegal, (that the police have probable cause to believe so, and not just because of my ethnicity)

    Otherwise no I should not have to prove who I am. If I dont want to vote, no need for them to know who I am, if am not cashing a cheque, not need to know who I am. If I am just walking down the street or hanging out in a park, asking me anything is fine, forcing me to answer is not


    As posted by Critical thought earlier
    What do you think is going to be "probable cause" for the cops to request id from someone?

    Traffic stops will be good.

    Arriving to a call from a slum tenement and being unable to find an adult that can speak english is another.

    A gaggle of men in working clothes loitering at the parking lot entrance to Home Depot, Lowes, or other construction supply store. Loitering is an infraction that authorizes local police to ask what business the people are up to.

    You people think the cops will have time to ask every damn Invader on the street for his ID? Seriously?

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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    What do you think is going to be "probable cause" for the cops to request id from someone?
    All they need is a suspicion they could be illegal. Based on looks!

    You people think the cops will have time to ask every damn Invader on the street for his ID? Seriously?
    They want to get rid of the illegals and possibly scare legals against registering/voting for Repubs. They already prevented them from registering.

    Seriously.
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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by ADK_Forever View Post
    The author, Greg Palast, is an investigative journalist. It's one more article on what's going on down there.
    I live here, his story is bunk.

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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by ADK_Forever View Post
    All they need is a suspicion they could be illegal. Based on looks!
    So?

    Profiling is what makes policing effective.

    Tell me how many times you've protested about profiling when the cops engaged a "man" hunt for a rapist, and you thought it was unfair they didn't interrogate equal numbers of women.

    I'm betting that the cops in Arizona won't be asking to many black people for their ID. Nor will too many white people be bothered. But, hell, if someone of hispanic descent that wasn't an anchor baby gets bothered by a cop trying to do his job and protect the United States from the Invasion, just maybe that hispanic-looking person is aiding and abetting the Invasion.

    And that's very close to treason.

    Look up in the Constitution what the punishment for treason is.


    Quote Originally Posted by ADK_Forever View Post
    They want to get rid of the illegals and possibly scare legals against registering/voting for Repubs. They already prevented them from registering.

    Seriously.
    Yeah, right.

    Sure.

    Whatever.

    There's a cop at every post-office, reading the forms hispanic-looking people put in the mail.

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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    I can't wrap my head around your post Scarecrow, because Profiling doesn't make police work effective. It just make the person unreasonable to the next cop that stops them this is why my father who is a Fire Marshal doesn't do that. The more unreasonable they become it is more likely they might start shooting at a cop, or an Arson Investigator just because he had been racial profiled, or beat up by the police.


    In my own opinion, this law goes against the basic rights of every Legal Arizonan citizen.

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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    What do you think is going to be "probable cause" for the cops to request id from someone?

    Traffic stops will be good.
    The police already have the ability to see the drivers ID

    Arriving to a call from a slum tenement and being unable to find an adult that can speak english is another.
    No it is not, Americans can speak any language they want to, it is not illegal to speak Mandarin, French, Russian, or English in the US. As such it does not provide probable cause

    A gaggle of men in working clothes loitering at the parking lot entrance to Home Depot, Lowes, or other construction supply store. Loitering is an infraction that authorizes local police to ask what business the people are up to.

    You people think the cops will have time to ask every damn Invader on the street for his ID? Seriously?
    As this law makes hiring day labour illegal, this is not going to be an issue for either Americans or illegal immigrants

    Meaning the reason to provide the police the ability to demand to see someones ID to see if they are illegal is to allow them to ask otherwise law abiding people their id.
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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    The law, as written, violates the 14th amendment of many of the legal Hispanic residents of Arizona. That is all there is to it. It's unconstitutional and it will be overturned by the courts. It's a badly written law because it is too vague and too broad and leaves all the discretion in the hands of law enforcement.

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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by RyrineaHaruno View Post
    I can't wrap my head around your post Scarecrow, because Profiling doesn't make police work effective.
    No.

    Of course it doesn't.

    Look at all the females the cops have falsely accused of rape over the years.

    Quote Originally Posted by RyrineaHaruno View Post
    It just make the person unreasonable to the next cop that stops them this is why my father who is a Fire Marshal doesn't do that.
    Only if that person was unreasonable to begin with, and if the policy is unreasonably applied.

    When I saw two black men strolling along the grassy meridian strip leaning over to peer into the parked cars, dressed in ankle-length coats, naturally I thought, "what nice people, out for a even stroll on this sweltering August evening, checking out, from sheer curiosity, of course, all the late model cars parked in my neighborhood. Nothing wrong going on here."

    Bull**** I thought that. Them boys was lookin' for a car to steal, and the cops driving down the road were right interested, too, when I flagged them down.

    Just in case you haven't wanted to notice it, the United States is under Invasion and if the federal government continues to flatly refuse it's responsibility to protect the states from the invaders, it's up to the states to protect themselves. If the lawfully resident hispanic looking folk don't want to be hassled, it's their duty to help rid this nation of those invaders so things can be restored to normal.

    Since a huge percentage of cops are hispanic, it's not bloody likely there's going to be an overwhelming surge of "driving while hispanic" incidents in Arizona, though I'm sure MALDEF is already training people how to fake up an abusive situation so they can make the defenders of America look bad and score some bucks at the same time.

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