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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by ADK_Forever View Post
    While reading on this subject, I ran across this article. Just another view of what Arizona Republicans may really be up to. And, interesting enough, Karl Rove's name popped up. Son of a gun.


    t r u t h o u t | Behind The Arizona Immigration Law: GOP Game to Swipe the November Election

    This may have nothing to do with immigration. It may be all about politics after all. Tom DeLay type politics. Interesting.
    I didn't want to open "your" link (nothing against you just fear if it is safe -linkophobia) can you tell us someting about this "truthout"?

    I am approaching this Arizona law with due caution but I was more concerned initially with the application of this law than the intent. Though I can see this as a wedge issue in that most reasonable people are against illegal immigration the atmosphere that this sets in motion is an anti-immigrant attitude in general.
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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    State's new immigration law worries Arizona soldier

    State's new immigration law worries Arizona soldier - CNN.com

    Phoenix, Arizona (CNN) -- At a vigil protesting the passage of Arizona's tough new illegal immigration law, a young man in Army fatigues and a beret lit a candle at a makeshift shrine.

    Pfc. Jose Medina, an Army medic, came to the Arizona capitol while on leave, to express his sadness over the law, signed by Arizona's governor on Friday.
    "I'm here because this is something that's close to my heart," said Medina. "I went off to protect this country, to protect my family. That's what hurts."

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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    Ah more race baiting.

    La Reconquista is alive and well.

    YouTube- Aztlan Reconquista
    Ah, yes! If for no other reason than is illustrated by that YouTube video, these illegal aliens should be turned back before they have the power to turn this country into a banana republic, like that which they came from!
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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    State's new immigration law worries Arizona soldier

    State's new immigration law worries Arizona soldier - CNN.com

    What if !!!

    I saw this story earlier today and it made me think about the "what if".
    What if some form of "let’s see you papers" bill was introduced on a national basis back in let’s say 1967. What if the ethnic group that I was born into had blue skin making us suspect as immigrant and illegal aliens. What if after I returned from Vietnam and was traveling between Walter Reed and where I was temporarily billeted during medical rehab and this bill was in place. What if I had to fear being stopped on the road and questioned if I was an illegal because I looked as if I was? I am sure that I would have even though I almost left my entire leg in Vietnam and had a piece of shrapnel only an inch between life and death.

    What if I was Blue!!!
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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    Ah
    Your statement was nearly identical to that of the white supremacists on Stormfront. My statements have been strongly opposed to the establishment of Mexican political authority over the U.S. Southwest. But whatever works in your world.

    Quote Originally Posted by Boomyal View Post
    Ah, yes! If for no other reason than is illustrated by that YouTube video, these illegal aliens should be turned back before they have the power to turn this country into a banana republic, like that which they came from!
    If you wanted to be a bit more consistent, you'd jog over to the white supremacists on Stormfront whose talking points are so curiously similar to your own, and tell them that the conditions of Mexico and Central America are the consequence of apartheid regimes, the rule over Indian masses by a minority white ruling class. It was those ruling classes that created the "banana republics." Mesoamerican indigenous societies had reached a more progressive stage of urban development than their "conquerors."

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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Cochise View Post
    Your statement was nearly identical to that of the white supremacists on Stormfront. My statements have been strongly opposed to the establishment of Mexican political authority over the U.S. Southwest. But whatever works in your world.
    LOL Can't you even quote me right?

    Your views are lock step in with La Reconquista. Unlike you I don't put race above the law. That's your position.

    Go ahead and deny it. I'll just quote you again
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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Arizonian resources being used for Arizonian purposes?

    Full speed ahead, in my opinion.

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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Areopagitican View Post
    Arizonian resources being used for Arizonian purposes?

    Full speed ahead, in my opinion.
    Not bad at all for a middle of the roader!
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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    LOL
    I looked up your “reconquista” idea. As I’d previously suspected, it’s related to the restoration of administrative control of the Mexican government in the U.S. Southwest.

    The Reconquista Movement: Mexico's Plan for the American Southwest - HUMAN EVENTS

    At its core, the claim of the Reconquista (“Reconquest”) movement is that the United States stole large sections of the southwestern United States from Mexico in the 1800s. Mexicans and other Hispanics making these claims seek to reconquer this territory by taking the land away from the United States and returning it to Mexico. The goal of the Reconquista is to “reconquer” these “lost” or “stolen” territories for “La Raza”—the race indigenous to Mexico.
    I’m actually not sure how you could maintain a view that’s blatantly wrong still. Mexicans aren’t a race or racial group; they are a national group, as are Canadians. They are composed of multiple races.

    You regurgitate your same recycled talking point over and over again despite the fact that it’s been clearly explained to you why Hispanic government is colonial authoritarianism, and Indians are worse off in Mexico than they are in the United States. You wouldn’t happen to be a bot, would you?

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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by F107HyperSabr View Post
    I didn't want to open "your" link (nothing against you just fear if it is safe -linkophobia) can you tell us someting about this "truthout"?
    I understand. Here's what their About Us page says:
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    I am approaching this Arizona law with due caution but I was more concerned initially with the application of this law than the intent. Though I can see this as a wedge issue in that most reasonable people are against illegal immigration the atmosphere that this sets in motion is an anti-immigrant attitude in general.
    This is making more sense. They had the ability to check Id under the "probable cause" pretense already. This law allows them to stop people for simple suspicion. The legal Mexican population is growing fast. And most of them vote for Dems. So, it makes sense for the Gov., a Repub, to try some Rovian method to dwindle or discourage them. It's not like this is the first time they've pulled something like this.
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