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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    And when you get pulled over for speeding or because a vehicle, matching yours was seen in the area do you pitch a fit when a cop asks you for id?
    No

    As driving is a voluntary act, as is speeding.

    The speeding would be probable cause to check my license ( and how else would they give me a ticket

    And I assume you mean that a vehicle similar to mine was seen in the area and was suspected of being involved in a very recent crime. If so they would have probable cause, I would not be happy about it, but it would be reasonable.

    You would notice that my objections deal with circumstances when someone is not required to have id. IE walking on the street. Not trying to get a loan from the bank, or driving a car, or trying to buy a gun etc. Just being on the street (sidewalk specifically, just in case someone was thinking about the person j walking)
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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    How did you miss it?
    It's easy when you make no point.

    You are asked for ID all the time. How are you being violated by asking for it by a cop?
    In THIS country we expect, and consider it one of our rights, to be able to go about our business and not be harassed by "Der papahs" without that pesky thing known as probable cause.
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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    No

    As driving is a voluntary act, as is speeding.

    The speeding would be probable cause to check my license ( and how else would they give me a ticket
    And probable cause is a requirement. Read the law again.

    And I assume you mean that a vehicle similar to mine was seen in the area and was suspected of being involved in a very recent crime. If so they would have probable cause, I would not be happy about it, but it would be reasonable.
    which is exactly what the law says.

    You would notice that my objections deal with circumstances when someone is not required to have id. IE walking on the street. Not trying to get a loan from the bank, or driving a car, or trying to buy a gun etc. Just being on the street (sidewalk specifically, just in case someone was thinking about the person j walking)
    So in your mind you should never ever have to prove who you are unless you are doing something voluntary.

    Exactly how does that make sense?


    And please cite the law you are quoting that makes this true. Can't wait to see this one
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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by ADK_Forever View Post
    It's easy when you make no point.
    I made it you simply ignored it.

    In THIS country we expect, and consider it one of our rights, to be able to go about our business and not be harassed by "Der papahs" without that pesky thing known as probable cause.
    Again with the German bs. I see you still haven't learned your lesson.

    And read the law. It says probable cause is required.

    Reading comprehension FTW.
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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    I made it you simply ignored it.



    Again with the German bs. I see you still haven't learned your lesson.

    And read the law. It says probable cause is required.

    Reading comprehension FTW.
    Amazing how the pro-illegal spread same lies about racial profiling and fear mongering when Oklahoma passed a similar law.

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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    It does make you a criminal if you are an illegal immigrant

    But what gives the police probable cause to believe you are an illegal immigrant

    It is not like it is writen your forehead, a legal US citizen walking down the street pretty much looks like an illegal immigrant walking down the street. So what is going to give the police probable cause to ask that person for his/her ID?
    LOL... the Euros have been pretty quite in this thread.
    Good reason. They can and do racial profile.
    They can stop you without any cause and demand your papers.
    In your car, on foot, in public transport. Happens ALL DAY, everyday.

    Well, if Paco ain't speeky engi too goood man, it's one indication... for a perfessionali trained oefficer ov de lew. Two perhaps:

    1. Public skoolz suck big dicks.
    2. It's likely he is an illegal. That's a prubbuble cuss.

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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    I made it you simply ignored it.
    You made no point.

    Again with the German bs. I see you still haven't learned your lesson.

    And read the law. It says probable cause is required.

    Reading comprehension FTW.
    Maybe it is YOU who needs to read the law They had a law on the books dealing with illegals via probable cause. What is different about this one?
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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by ADK_Forever View Post
    They had a law on the books dealing with illegals via probable cause. What is different about this one?

    The state authority to enforce it rather than wait until the Feds get their collective head out of their arse.


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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    To all legal Arizona hispanic residents: We must fight peacefully this travesty of justice no matter how long it takes. We can do this in a number of ways. First don't answer ANY questions that pertain to your legal status in this country. Don't carry ANY type of documentation with you AT ANY TIME untill this thing is repealed. Third, speak to the officer ONLY in SPANISH. Lets have as many legal citizens arrested under this law as we can. Remember, they won't give you ANY civil rights unless you fight for them, just ask our African-American friends.

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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Vic Mango View Post
    To all legal Arizona hispanic residents: We must fight peacefully this travesty of justice no matter how long it takes. We can do this in a number of ways. First don't answer ANY questions that pertain to your legal status in this country. Don't carry ANY type of documentation with you AT ANY TIME untill this thing is repealed. Third, speak to the officer ONLY in SPANISH. Lets have as many legal citizens arrested under this law as we can.
    So you intentionally want the wrong people people to be deported just so illegals can stay here? How would intentionally not carrying any documents, speaking only in Spanish and refusing to answer any questions prove any fault in the law? Because I am sure any judge will rule that even though you intentionally gave he officer reasonable suspicion that you were an illegal, the police officer still had a reasonable suspicion. All it would do is ship a few dumbasses across the border. Cop now days have cameras in their car so there would be video evidence that you gave police reasonable suspicion that you are an illegal, not because of an alleged racial profiling..


    Remember, they won't give you ANY civil rights unless you fight for them, just ask our African-American friends.
    So illegal immigration is equal to black people being forced to sit on the back of the bus, drink at a separate drinking fountains, being lynched, and all kinds of other ****? Last I checked you can't choose the color of your skin but you can most certainly choose to come across the border illegally.
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