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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    Could you please specifically cite where the bill says that? …
    Let's see what the Cato Institute says …

    Excerpted from ‘“Papers, Please” in Arizona’ Posted by Jim Harper, CATO@Liberty, April 22, 2010 @ 1:46 pm
    The Arizona legislature recently sent Senate Bill 1070 to the governor.

    According to this summary from the Arizona legislature, the bill would require Arizona officials and agencies to determine the immigration status of any person with whom they have “lawful contact” where reasonable suspicion exists regarding the immigration status of the person. Any person arrested in Arizona would also have to have their immigration status established and verified with the federal government before they were released.

    The documents that can be used to prove legal immigration status under the bill include a valid Arizona driver license, a valid Arizona nonoperating identification license, a valid tribal enrollment card or other tribal identification, or a valid federal-, state- or local-government-issued identification, if the issuing entity requires proof of legal presence before issuance.

    If the governor signs the bill, what creates “reasonable suspicion” about immigration status is a question that will have lawyers busy for years.

    I’m interested in how well practiced Arizonans and Arizona government officials will become at checking the papers of people in their state. …
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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    It doesn't say that people are forced to carry those things with them at all times though. I think it's fine to have people validate themselves. All it's saying is that you must validate yourself before you are released and then lists what counts as acceptable validation.

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    Another question is how much safer will Arizonans be with new law being enforced …

    “The Arizona immigration law will likely hinder federal law enforcement from carrying out its priorities of detaining and removing dangerous criminal aliens. With the strong support of state and local law enforcement, I vetoed several similar pieces of legislation as Governor of Arizona because they would have diverted critical law enforcement resources from the most serious threats to public safety and undermined the vital trust between local jurisdictions and the communities they serve. I support and am actively working with bipartisan members of Congress to pass comprehensive immigration reform at the federal level because this issue cannot be solved by a patchwork of inconsistent state laws.” — Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano, Gov. Jan Brewer's predecessor as Arizona governor
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    Reasons to never go to Arizona:

    [X] Crazy hot.
    [X] Can't find a good beach anywhere.
    [X] Immigration laws which make everyone and anyone an illegal immigrant.

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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    The U.S. government sets immigration law. Not the states. It is a federal issue.
    Crime is state issue.

    Try again Hatuey
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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Chappy View Post
    Another question is how much safer will Arizonans be with new law being enforced …

    “The Arizona immigration law will likely hinder federal law enforcement from carrying out its priorities of detaining and removing dangerous criminal aliens. With the strong support of state and local law enforcement, I vetoed several similar pieces of legislation as Governor of Arizona because they would have diverted critical law enforcement resources from the most serious threats to public safety and undermined the vital trust between local jurisdictions and the communities they serve. I support and am actively working with bipartisan members of Congress to pass comprehensive immigration reform at the federal level because this issue cannot be solved by a patchwork of inconsistent state laws.” — Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano, Gov. Jan Brewer's predecessor as Arizona governor
    They will be safer because someone is actually enforcing the laws. I don't trust Nepolitano either. She is just an angry Democrat who wants to bash this bill because she doesn't agree with it. She also doesn't prove how it would prevent the federal authorities from doing their jobs. All she said was that she feels they would "likely-hinder" federal authorities from doing their jobs. If the feds and the state both have the goal of justice in mind then if anything this bill is helping the feds by doing much of the work for them.

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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Reasons to never go to Arizona:

    [X] Crazy hot.
    [X] Can't find a good beach anywhere.
    [X] Immigration laws which make everyone and anyone an illegal immigrant.

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    If you are looking for a beach in Arizona you've got more problems than the immigration bill
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    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    Crime is state issue.

    Try again Hatuey
    Lmao - yeah on what grounds? Who deals with immigration law?
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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    If you are looking for a beach in Arizona you've got more problems than the immigration bill
    That is kind of the point. Places without beaches are not worthy of traveling to.
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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Lmao - yeah on what grounds? Who deals with immigration law?
    There's your lack of thought again.

    This isn't passing because of illegals breaking immigration law. Its passing because of the other crimes illegals commit.
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