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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    And what if you were not carrying your ID?. Like if you going out for a walk, a run, or a bike ride. There is no reason to be carrying one in those cases. Should the PD then arrest you for not being able to produce your ID. Good plan for a free country.
    Again, you are ignoring the probable cause part of this law.
    Riding your bike or jogging down the canal bank is not probable cause.

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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by cholla View Post
    Again, you are ignoring the probable cause part of this law.
    Riding your bike or jogging down the canal bank is not probable cause.
    They already had this ability. This law gives them more wiggle room to question anybody for "Der papahs".
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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Chappy View Post
    I.C.E. enforces immigration laws, not local police. If local law enforcement officers spend their time checking the papers of everyone they suspect of being an illegal immigrant as the law requires, do you think that community cooperation with them will be severely impacted? I do. This law has created a whole new criminal class and is about to reap that whirlwind.
    There is no community cooperation with the illegal population, they are a shadow community, avoiding contact with the police. This is because they already know they are breaking the law, just by being here.

    Thus the term ILLEGAL aliens.

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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by ADK_Forever View Post
    They already had this ability. This law gives them more wiggle room to question anybody for "Der papahs".
    So you jump and down and scream about privacy when the bank asks you to show ID? How about when you get a job? What about that paperwork?

    This kind of argument is so pathetic.

    And the German crap only shows you don't have a clue about how the Nazis truly were if you are comparing them to us.
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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    I can't believe this has gone on for 29 pages.

    Okay folks, this is what is going to happen.

    Some state police officer is going to yank some Hispanic man or woman into the station and threaten to send them back to Mexico because they can't present papers on the spot. It will become known that the individual they dragged in is actually an American citizen. The citizen will sue the state for violating his or her 14th amendment right, which you might recall says...

    "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."

    The case will be appealed all the way to the Supreme Court where the law will be struck down.
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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    So you jump and down and scream about privacy when the bank asks you to show ID? How about when you get a job? What about that paperwork?

    This kind of argument is so pathetic.
    How so
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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by ADK_Forever View Post
    How so
    How did you miss it?

    You are asked for ID all the time. How are you being violated by asking for it by a cop?
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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    How did you miss it?

    You are asked for ID all the time. How are you being violated by asking for it by a cop?
    The involuntary nature of it.

    I dont have to go to the bank, which means I dont have to show them my id

    If a landlord asks to see my ID I can go and find a different landlord

    I can get someone else to purchase liquor if the store demands ID
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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    The involuntary nature of it.

    I dont have to go to the bank, which means I dont have to show them my id

    If a landlord asks to see my ID I can go and find a different landlord

    I can get someone else to purchase liquor if the store demands ID
    And when you get pulled over for speeding or because a vehicle matching yours was seen in the area do you pitch a fit when a cop asks you for id?
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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Actually, it's nothing to do with profiling "Hispanics," since Hispanics can be of any race. It's all connected with the racial profiling of Indians, since the majority of migrant laborers belong to Indian lower classes. Arizona has one of the richest indigenous heritages of any state in the country, and this will be particularly problematic because the Spanish colonization left Southwestern Indians with Spanish surnames and Catholicism, making them superficially indistinguishable from "Mexicans" to the ignorant profiler. I hope they profile a few Tohono O'odham, and they become so offended that they'll rip down every single inch of fence that they attempt to construct in Pima County.

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