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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
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    I have always voted GOP, but when this last election cycle started I was saying that the DEMS would win. Their are millions of middle class folk who usually vote republican, but they got tired of seeing crooks and perverts betray the public trust , too many of which are republicans. When their retirement funds take a hit and the financiers are still enriching themselves at the expense of the common folk, they remember who took their side and who sided with the obscenely rich.
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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by mike2810 View Post
    IMO they police won't be doing this. The status check would come after being stopped for some other reason. For example: If they stop a person for traffic violation, investigating a crime, responding to a call, and stop a person. at that time they may ask for identification. If the person does not have a drivers license, valid id, does something that makes the office suspect the person is not a legal resident, the officer could at that time have the persons status checked.
    I would expect the police to check out a persons ID when they are stopped for those issues. A fake ID would of course (or should pop up) during that course of action. Which bring up the entire point of having the police being allowed to check a persons ID if they have probable cause to believe the person is an illegal immigrant. If they had probable cause to stop a person for another crime, they would be allowed to check the person's ID at that time. This part of the law is rather superfluous in such a case is it not?


    IMO, the idea of the police doing nothing more than sweeps is the oppositions spin. I have yet to see the critics come up with an alternative to solving the illegal issue other than make them all legal. This in itself does not address the issue of the unprotected border. The feds need to close/control the borders and manage "legal" immigration. Having almost 1/2 million illegals in Arizona is not acceptable.
    The Feds have failed and ignored the issue for way to many years. Both Republicans and Democrats.
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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    I know the issue, and if you check with hispanics in Arizona, people who were born in the USA, most of them will agree with this bill. Illegals take THEIR jobs, too...and illegals commit crimes against them as much as whites.

    Of all the hispanics I ever worked with, most want the border secured. They pay taxes, too.

    I wonder why we don't have this issue with canadians? ..maybe Mexico should work on the problems they have instead of exporting them to the USA...
    Not being from the Southwest I am curious as why you assume that all Hispanics are non White? Quote from your post “and illegals commit crimes against them as much as whites “. Here in the Northeast we have “Hispanics” and Latins who come in all colors – White, tan, brown, and Black, and all hues in between all except maybe stripped ones which I have not seen one yet.

    Just saw an interview on CNN and a Chief Joe Martinez was saying "
    Police Chief Joe Martinez called critics' concerns unfounded, saying the Arizona law enforcement community includes a large number of Hispanics.
    Now Joe has a Hispanic name and from what I could tell Joe the Joe did not look any darker to me than some Italians I went to school with. In fact he looked lighter than some Sicilians I knew. So why do you has Hispanics as an ooppsite of Whites ?

    Just curious ??
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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by F107HyperSabr View Post
    Not being from the Southwest I am curious as why you assume that all Hispanics are non White? Quote from your post “and illegals commit crimes against them as much as whites “. Here in the Northeast we have “Hispanics” and Latins who come in all colors – White, tan, brown, and Black, and all hues in between all except maybe stripped ones which I have not seen one yet.
    I made no such assumption, you read that into it on your own....
    I know Mexican citizens who look as "caucasion" as they come....
    As for your part of the country, we weren't discussing it. We were discussing Arizona.
    As for those with stripes, they are the ones in Sheriff Joe's tent cities and jails, along with the pink underwear, he makes them wear the stripes...
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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    I made no such assumption, you read that into it on your own....
    I know Mexican citizens who look as "caucasion" as they come....
    As for your part of the country, we weren't discussing it. We were discussing Arizona.
    As for those with stripes, they are the ones in Sheriff Joe's tent cities and jails, along with the pink underwear, he makes them wear the stripes...
    Actaully I wasn't assuming I read this "and illegals commit crimes against them as much as whites “. Now you refered to Hispanics who are not ilegals and you "and illegals commit crimes against them" and you went on with " as much as whites “ therefore you separated your resiedent Hispanics from "Whites".



    I took it right from your line so there was no assuming it is stated here by you.
    Originally Posted by UtahBill
    I know the issue, and if you check with hispanics in Arizona, people who were born in the USA, most of them will agree with this bill. Illegals take THEIR jobs, too...and illegals commit crimes against them as much as whites.
    so that is the famous Sheriff Joe ?
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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    with unemployment near 10%, now is not the time to increase by tens of millions our citizenship roles, president obama

    politically speaking, that is

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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    At the bill signing ceremony, asked to “please explain what criteria will be used to determine if someone is an illegal immigrant? What does an illegal immigrant look like?” the Governor responded:

    “I do not know what an illegal immigrant looks like.'' — Arizona Governor Jan Brewer

    Well, that went well, don't you think? Actually, no. I don't think that went well.

    Video: [nomedia="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJrcVvfv26Q&feature=player_embedded"]YouTube- Brewer: "I do not know what an illegal alien looks like"[/nomedia]
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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Chappy View Post
    At the bill signing ceremony, asked to “please explain what criteria will be used to determine if someone is an illegal immigrant? What does an illegal immigrant look like?” the Governor responded:

    “I do not know what an illegal immigrant looks like.'' — Arizona Governor Jan Brewer

    Well, that went well, don't you think? Actually, no. I don't think that went well.

    Video: YouTube- Brewer: "I do not know what an illegal alien looks like"

    Like this sorry I do not know how to paste in the acual picture!!


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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    I doubt illegal immigrants are going to stand out so conveniently for the governor's sake. But, that was really the point, Hispanics ‘look’ illegal wherever they were born to some Arizonans. This legislation is really the “Driving or walking or spitting or ****ing breathing while Hispanic law.”
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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Chappy View Post
    I doubt illegal immigrants are going to stand out so conveniently for the governor's sake. But, that was really the point, Hispanics ‘look’ illegal wherever they were born to some Arizonans. This legislation is really the “Driving or walking or spitting or ****ing breathing while Hispanic law.”

    Gotta start somewhere. Might as well here.

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