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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    And what if you were not carrying your ID?. Like if you going out for a walk, a run, or a bike ride. There is no reason to be carrying one in those cases. Should the PD then arrest you for not being able to produce your ID. Good plan for a free country.
    Even if you don't have your ID on you, you can give your info to the officer and with his mobile unit in his car he can punch up a copy of your ID.

    If it is an illegal, it won't be there.

    Why is everyone acting like this will turn Arizona into a police state?

    If a few US citizens have to be asked for their ID to prevent even one more death, I say they put up with it, and 70% of the Arizona voters say the same. It shouldn't matter to anyone else.

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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    I am all for enforcing boarder security. However I am not for having the government discriminate against legal residents because of their ethnicity, I am not for the government requiring me (or anyone for that matter) to carry ID at all times.

    You have something called the consitution and the bill of rights. It applies to all Americans, including those that look "Mexican"
    I also " am all for enforcing boarder security" and absolutely am against "having the government discriminate against legal residents". I also do not want the government to require me or any other legal permanent resident citizen or non citizen born here or abroad to carry ID at all times.

    As I pointed out in another post that is what the Soviet Union did - they required their captives ( aka Soviet citizens) to carry an internal ID card which noted their ethnicity and which Republic they lived in. Yet we amm know that the Soviet Union was a Socialist -Communist so called caountry but is that what we want here ??
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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Chappy View Post
    Wow! Just, wow! This bill is a colossal error.
    The bill is a winner on many levels.

    1. It sends a message across the nation. DC is useless, states, do it on your own.

    2. It puts Obama in the open. Americans didn't want the last illegals bill, and they like this move. Obama shovels another few for his grave if he takes this on. Hope he does.

    3. It exposes the left and RINOs. May this be an added straw to help us get rid of both.

    4. It makes illegals feel unwelcome. As it should be.

    5. It might trigger other states to crack down too. The ice is broken.

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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
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    If Arizona wants to do this they should put up check points and check the citizenship of each and every person they stop, be they caucasian, hispanic, asian or african. Lets see how many Arizona residents woudl then support this law
    If that is what it takes to rid our state of law breakers, so be it. Let's have a sweep every weekend until we get the illegals all deported...
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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    Punitive damages are rewarded to punish the offending party as a means to encourage a change in behaviour of the party doing the wrong and to encourage other parties from not engaging in similar actions.

    Passing a law that will be discrimniatory in nature, and most definately in enforcement would certainly be worthy of having punitive damages awarded
    I know what punitive damages are....I grew up in this country. Born here as well...
    Do you have proof that punitive damages have ever been assessed against a government?
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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    If you are out for a run (and have done nothing illegal) and the police demand to see your ID and you do not have it, should the police arrest you?
    Sure, if they have reason to believe that you are a criminal....
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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Boomyal View Post
    With an attitude like this, I guess there is no solution to the problem, whether it be at the hands of the Federal Government or a State Government.

    So let's all just lie down and continue to let our borders be overrun! In the end, that is what is wanted anyway. It's all part of the GREAT conspiracy to bring this superior country to its knees.
    Makes me wonder why Mexico hasn't had a revolution...if things suck so bad there, why haven't they changed their government as many times as it takes to make things nice enough that they don't have to sneak into the USA.
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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    Sure, if they have reason to believe that you are a criminal....
    And if that reason is that you look like an illegal immigrant? (ie specific ethnicity)
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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    And if that reason is that you look like an illegal immigrant? (ie specific ethnicity)
    Uh, did you not know that being an illegal immigrant makes you a criminal?
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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    I know what punitive damages are....I grew up in this country. Born here as well...
    Do you have proof that punitive damages have ever been assessed against a government?
    In Canada they have, but the amounts are quite small

    Here is one vs NYC

    $51 million: Barnes vs. City of New York; excessive force; New York (March 13)

    High Court limits punitive damages in an appeal of State Farm decision. (Briefing). | Goliath Business News
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