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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    You don't know much about the law....how will anyone make the state pay punitive damages? Juries may try it, have in the past I am sure, and judges always throw them out if the jury is being stupid...
    Punitive damages are rewarded to punish the offending party as a means to encourage a change in behaviour of the party doing the wrong and to encourage other parties from not engaging in similar actions.

    Passing a law that will be discrimniatory in nature, and most definately in enforcement would certainly be worthy of having punitive damages awarded
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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Purdy much and if they can produce proof of citizenship, they have nothing to worry about.
    If you are out for a run (and have done nothing illegal) and the police demand to see your ID and you do not have it, should the police arrest you?
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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    The probable cause is the issue.

    Just what is going to be probable cause?


    Looking Mexican? Speaking Spanish?
    Since the probable cause caveat has been in effect in every state for years, how is it different now?


    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    If you are out for a run (and have done nothing illegal) and the police demand to see your ID and you do not have it, should the police arrest you?
    If they have probable cause.

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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Vader View Post
    That link is broken. The State of Arizona took it down.... and now I am curious as to what they are hiding!
    That is odd I should have down loaded the text when it was available. Did you try lookeing for another link? I had taken a quick look when it was avaolable and the law didn't look all that bad on the surface. In fact looked ok but it really does bother that the link is down. MAYBE TOO MANY HITS ?

    here is a link that works
    http://www.pdfdownload.org/pdf2html/...Epdf&images=no
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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    How are the police to know if anyone is an immigrant? If you dont carry your id at all times how will the police be able to tell if you are or are not an immigrant?


    As for being required by law to carry ID at all times. I mocked the UK when they were going to make it a law to force its citizens to carry ID at all times. I would mock the Canadian government, and I mock Arizona for becoming a psuedo fascist state.

    Under no circumstances will I produce ID if all I am doing is walking down the street in a free country. Under no circumstances will I as a free person respond to any unreasonable question by the police if I have been doing nothing wrong.


    I can not wait untill this law results in the arrest of an Ameircan citizen because they look like they are Mexican. I will enjoy it greatly when that person sues the state, the police dept for discrimination and wins. I hope that person gets a massive judgement that bankrupts the state

    With an attitude like this, I guess there is no solution to the problem, whether it be at the hands of the Federal Government or a State Government.

    So let's all just lie down and continue to let our borders be overrun! In the end, that is what is wanted anyway. It's all part of the GREAT conspiracy to bring this superior country to its knees.
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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Boomyal View Post
    With an attitude like this, I guess there is no solution to the problem, whether it be at the hands of the Federal Government or a State Government.

    So let's all just lie down and continue to let our borders be overrun! In the end, that is what is wanted anyway. It's all part of the GREAT conspiracy to bring this superior country to its knees.
    I am all for enforcing boarder security. However I am not for having the government discriminate against legal residents because of their ethnicity, I am not for the government requiring me (or anyone for that matter) to carry ID at all times.

    You have something called the consitution and the bill of rights. It applies to all Americans, including those that look "Mexican"
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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    the feds have IGNORED this problem for too many YEARS....kudos to Arizona for saying enough is enough!!!
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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    Law enforcement makes arrests mostly on complaints. If a citizen files a criminal complaint that involves illegals, the sheriff MUST act.
    Would you have it any other way?
    Actually, a citizen does not have to file a complaint in order for a police officer to invoke "reasonable suspicion", and "reasonable suspicion can mean a lot of things. So, again, what in your honest opinion constitutes reasonable suspicion?
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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    immigration is thrust upon this unprepared president

    according to jfkerry, immigration's move up is climate legislation's relegation to back burner status

    Senators postpone climate bill unveiling - Yahoo! News

    cap and trade is kaput, what jfkerry's cobbling is a climate compromise

    but lindsey graham was the route to 41 and the south carolina rhino said immigration is a deal breaker---on climate

    according to reuters (it happens to be true), without lindsey there will be no bill

    meanwhile, immigration is explosively divisive WITHIN the caucus

    Democrats divided on immigration - Kasie Hunt - POLITICO.com

    ask jason altmire, he's the stupak'er responsible maybe more than any for passage of obamacare

    ask raul grijalva

    american politics in the sixteen long months of obama have been very bitter, angry, narrow, hot

    things are going to get a lot uglier

    immigration has been thrust upon obama

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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Jiyuu View Post
    I feel this law was justified because Obama has not done enough and Napolitano is a poor excuse for comments she has made in the past about the border problem.

    I have nothing against immigrants as long as they have their passports and or greencards handy. There may be a long waiting period to get these but that is not Arizona's fault. Something had to be done and I praise the Senators and people that were involved for this bill.

    Obama and company were too busy with the HC bill to pay attention to the border crimes and I remember Hillary stating awhile back and apology to Mexico that the war on drugs is our fault. It was something very close to that effect.

    The government needs to get the immigrants granted their papers more quickly. That's one of the biggest problems, imo.
    As an immigrant I am oh so glad that you “have nothing against immigrants” and maybe I should feel so blessed.

    Now based upon you scenario I would have to carry my passport or keep it handy. I no longer have my green card since as part of the Naturalization process the Dept of Justice (Justice was responsible for Naturalizations back then) required me to surrender it to them.

    So I ask you since you “have nothing against” me an immigrant why should I be forced to have my passport “handy” if I am traveling internally and not in a foreign country since you obviously are not making that a requirement for my fellow American citizens ? So just because I came to this country as an immigrant at age 2 -2 1/2 I would have to carry an “internal passport” just as people had to in the old Soviet Union ?
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