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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Jiyuu View Post
    I feel this law was justified because Obama has not done enough and Napolitano is a poor excuse for comments she has made in the past about the border problem.

    I have nothing against immigrants as long as they have their passports and or greencards handy. There may be a long waiting period to get these but that is not Arizona's fault. Something had to be done and I praise the Senators and people that were involved for this bill.

    Obama and company were too busy with the HC bill to pay attention to the border crimes and I remember Hillary stating awhile back and apology to Mexico that the war on drugs is our fault. It was something very close to that effect.

    The government needs to get the immigrants granted their papers more quickly. That's one of the biggest problems, imo.
    How are the police to know if anyone is an immigrant? If you dont carry your id at all times how will the police be able to tell if you are or are not an immigrant?


    As for being required by law to carry ID at all times. I mocked the UK when they were going to make it a law to force its citizens to carry ID at all times. I would mock the Canadian government, and I mock Arizona for becoming a psuedo fascist state.

    Under no circumstances will I produce ID if all I am doing is walking down the street in a free country. Under no circumstances will I as a free person respond to any unreasonable question by the police if I have been doing nothing wrong.


    I can not wait untill this law results in the arrest of an Ameircan citizen because they look like they are Mexican. I will enjoy it greatly when that person sues the state, the police dept for discrimination and wins. I hope that person gets a massive judgement that bankrupts the state
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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    How are the police to know if anyone is an immigrant? If you dont carry your id at all times how will the police be able to tell if you are or are not an immigrant?


    As for being required by law to carry ID at all times. I mocked the UK when they were going to make it a law to force its citizens to carry ID at all times. I would mock the Canadian government, and I mock Arizona for becoming a psuedo fascist state.

    Under no circumstances will I produce ID if all I am doing is walking down the street in a free country. Under no circumstances will I as a free person respond to any unreasonable question by the police if I have been doing nothing wrong.


    I can not wait untill this law results in the arrest of an Ameircan citizen because they look like they are Mexican. I will enjoy it greatly when that person sues the state, the police dept for discrimination and wins. I hope that person gets a massive judgement that bankrupts the state
    Hence the whole "probable cause" thing in the law. It's no different than it is now in any state. Any police officer can question you or search you, or even detain you if they have ... PROBABLE CAUSE. That is the way it works today pretty much everywhere in the states.

    The difference now in AZ, they can ask for proof of citizenship too.

    So do tell me, what is the big deal, exactly?

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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Bawwaa


    So Skin color will not matter, because people will not stereotype people that are a different skin tone than them? I am laughing at that naive out look on this law...... How can right wingers say that with a straight face? I know that a law like this is more than likely going to boil down to how the person is different color than them, or they talk with a accent. I am not saying it wrong to have immigration laws I am wondering how it is going to be implemented myself.

    Know don't get me wrong I am all for Immigration laws as long as the basic human rights are not being abolished, because of the law in question. I have read this bill, but to me the above paragraph is my only worry about this law. I agree with Lord Tammerlain that I will mock the UK when they done this type of thing, and I will mock Arizona for the same thing as well.
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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    How are the police to know if anyone is an immigrant? If you dont carry your id at all times how will the police be able to tell if you are or are not an immigrant?


    As for being required by law to carry ID at all times. I mocked the UK when they were going to make it a law to force its citizens to carry ID at all times. I would mock the Canadian government, and I mock Arizona for becoming a psuedo fascist state.

    Under no circumstances will I produce ID if all I am doing is walking down the street in a free country. Under no circumstances will I as a free person respond to any unreasonable question by the police if I have been doing nothing wrong.


    I can not wait untill this law results in the arrest of an Ameircan citizen because they look like they are Mexican. I will enjoy it greatly when that person sues the state, the police dept for discrimination and wins. I hope that person gets a massive judgement that bankrupts the state
    Way to over react....you want to bankrupt a state just to minimize the potential of Law Enforcement inconveniencing a few citizens while trying to rid the state of an incredible tax burden that exists because some foreigners want to live in America and don't want to go about it legally.

    Not to worry, the state won't pay out much in lawsuits. You can't claim much of a loss in your life based on the few minutes it takes to dig out your ID....
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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    Hence the whole "probable cause" thing in the law. It's no different than it is now in any state. Any police officer can question you or search you, or even detain you if they have ... PROBABLE CAUSE. That is the way it works today pretty much everywhere in the states.

    The difference now in AZ, they can ask for proof of citizenship too.

    So do tell me, what is the big deal, exactly?
    The probable cause is the issue.

    Just what is going to be probable cause?


    Looking Mexican? Speaking Spanish?

    If just once an American citizen or legal immigrant is stopped for either of those two reasons I hope that PD and the state is sued and for millions of dollars.
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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    The probable cause is the issue.

    Just what is going to be probable cause?


    Looking Mexican? Speaking Spanish?


    If just once an American citizen or legal immigrant is stopped for either of those two reasons I hope that PD and the state is sued and for millions of dollars.
    Purdy much and if they can produce proof of citizenship, they have nothing to worry about.
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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    The probable cause is the issue.

    Just what is going to be probable cause?


    Looking Mexican? Speaking Spanish?

    If just once an American citizen or legal immigrant is stopped for either of those two reasons I hope that PD and the state is sued and for millions of dollars.
    How silly.....Would it be OK if one of us HOPE that YOU get vicitimized by an illegal alien?
    Who ya gonna call? The local cops, that is who....and suppose they ask you for ID so they know who they are dealing with. Will you refuse?

    I found a young lady's ID and credit card on a sidewalk once, flagged down a cop and told him about it. Guess what, he asked for ID !!!
    And I showed it to him. Maybe I should have refused a lawful order and gotten some jail time just to show him I can't be pushed around. That would certainly be the macho thing to do...yeah, that's the ticket....
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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    Way to over react....you want to bankrupt a state just to minimize the potential of Law Enforcement inconveniencing a few citizens while trying to rid the state of an incredible tax burden that exists because some foreigners want to live in America and don't want to go about it legally.

    Not to worry, the state won't pay out much in lawsuits. You can't claim much of a loss in your life based on the few minutes it takes to dig out your ID....
    A few citizens of a specific ethnicity will be inconvenienced. Not all citizens. As such it is discriminatory.

    And the state will be force to pay punitive damages which tend to be rather large in the US.

    If Arizona wants to do this they should put up check points and check the citizenship of each and every person they stop, be they caucasian, hispanic, asian or african. Lets see how many Arizona residents woudl then support this law
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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    A few citizens of a specific ethnicity will be inconvenienced. Not all citizens. As such it is discriminatory.

    And the state will be force to pay punitive damages which tend to be rather large in the US.

    If Arizona wants to do this they should put up check points and check the citizenship of each and every person they stop, be they caucasian, hispanic, asian or african. Lets see how many Arizona residents woudl then support this law
    You don't know much about the law....how will anyone make the state pay punitive damages? Juries may try it, have in the past I am sure, and judges always throw them out if the jury is being stupid...
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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    How silly.....Would it be OK if one of us HOPE that YOU get vicitimized by an illegal alien?
    Who ya gonna call? The local cops, that is who....and suppose they ask you for ID so they know who they are dealing with. Will you refuse?

    I found a young lady's ID and credit card on a sidewalk once, flagged down a cop and told him about it. Guess what, he asked for ID !!!
    And I showed it to him. Maybe I should have refused a lawful order and gotten some jail time just to show him I can't be pushed around. That would certainly be the macho thing to do...yeah, that's the ticket....
    And what if you were not carrying your ID?. Like if you going out for a walk, a run, or a bike ride. There is no reason to be carrying one in those cases. Should the PD then arrest you for not being able to produce your ID. Good plan for a free country.
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