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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    I feel this law was justified because Obama has not done enough and Napolitano is a poor excuse for comments she has made in the past about the border problem.

    I have nothing against immigrants as long as they have their passports and or greencards handy. There may be a long waiting period to get these but that is not Arizona's fault. Something had to be done and I praise the Senators and people that were involved for this bill.

    Obama and company were too busy with the HC bill to pay attention to the border crimes and I remember Hillary stating awhile back and apology to Mexico that the war on drugs is our fault. It was something very close to that effect.

    The government needs to get the immigrants granted their papers more quickly. That's one of the biggest problems, imo.
    We may not agree on everything but I bet we could find some common ground.

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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by TBone View Post
    Wow, I am tired of you being blind. The law states "Allows a law enforcement officer, without a warrant, to arrest a person if the officer has probable cause to believe that the person has committed any public offense that makes the person removable from the U.S." SB1070 - 492R - Senate Fact Sheet.

    So, in your world how does an officer know if a person committed any public offense that makes the person removable from the us? Does he have radar? Or does he profile the person? I will talk slow so you can pick it up.

    In order to prove a person is removable, you must ask that person where he is from or you must approach him. Now since the law is in AZ, the majority of illegals are hispanic, so the officer that approaches this person is going to ask a latino, not an anglo, or asian, etc. Now that is racial profiling. Show me the lie again? SB1070 - 492R - Senate Fact Sheet

    An officer is allowed to do this with any other crime, why would this one be any different?

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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

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    Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement billMembers should refrain from accusing one another of lying. Members should focus on the issues concerning the Arizona law.

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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by TBone View Post
    I am not denying this fact. Your are correct, if arrested, and legally stopped, or you attempt to enter the us, or fly on a plan, you are obligated to present ID.

    Does law enforcement have the right to ID me if I am doing nothing illegal? If they have no reason or probable cause to stop you or I?
    I may have missed it but you being in LE should answer your own question. IMO, the answer is No. The LE officer needs probalbe cause

    Since you work in LE in Az. Let me ask you. what are the odds that the people hanging around Home Depot looking for work are not in the US legally? Some are and some are not is my guess. If the people seeking day work are breaking a city,county,state law and someone complained. Wouldn't the LE have an obligation to follow up on the complaint. Then LE could under the new law check for legal status.

    If you and your friends are just walking down the street, what makes you think the new law would require LE to stop and check your ID? There is nothing required in the law for them to do so. There is no probalble cause. However, if the group is creating a public nuisance and someone complains, then LE could follow up on the compaint and check status.

    If this law, when enacted is too much for you. maybe LE in Arizona is not for you. Besides didn't the Gov say guidelines and training would be provided on how to implement the law?
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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    Well, if the Democrats get a pass for the healthcare turd then Az. gets a pass on this IMO. It's a bad law but "something needed to be done", yall remember that right?
    Did you miss the whole "two wrongs don't make a right" lesson in first grade?

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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

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    ......Joe will be indicted and removed........
    Very fanciful thinking!
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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by TBone View Post
    What a shocker, You did not expose ****, you twisted it. My arguement is there dwell on it. Digest it. Accept it.
    I accept the fact you place the race card based on a false claim that all illegals are of one race or even only people of color.

    I accept that you cannot prove your false claims of race based law when you run from quoting the part of the law that says it.
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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    There is a war going on in Mexico and spilling over onto the Arizona side.

    This is not simply to catch an illegal taking a job from somebody else.

    The Fed doesn't want to afford any help to the state so the state has to do it themselves.

    I have no problem with profiling people that are likely to be commiting a crime.

    People are dying in Arizona and nobody is doing anything.

    The honest illegal people will eventually leave Arizona so as to not be subject to this law, I have no problem with that.

    The bad guys won't care about the law anyway and hopefullly will get caught.

    If you don't think it is an actual war, why don't each and every one of you take a trip to the Arizona border and talk to the people there.

    Like I have said before, I am in Mexico right now. I don't go out at night. I don't go to a gathering of people. I don't put myself at risk at all.

    Now I am not in a border city but it is still pretty bad here. The police section in our newspaper has gone from a couple of cars stolen and a few people being arrested for possession to having 10 or more stories every day about people being kidnapped and killed.

    Life has changed drastically.

    The border towns are a lot worse and it would be scary to even step foot there, so I understand how US citizens that usually have a feeling of safety would want a law like this.

    If you don't live in the southern part of Arizona you have absolutely no right to even make a comment about what they are doing. You have no idea what is going on there.

    It is a lot to say that Phoenix is second on the list of the most kidnappings. Why do you think it is so, Phoenix is second only behind the capital of Mexico D.F.?

    Like it or not this is an undeclared war and the citizens are going to have to put up with an officer asking a few questions for their safety.

    If racial profiling can make the state safer I say do it.

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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    the action by arizona THRUSTS this ultimately explosive and incendiary issue upon the president

    do you recall when bush-mccain's "amnesty" exploded so violently in rhino faces the phone banks in dc were shut down, summer 07?

    [ame=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comprehensive_Immigration_Reform_Act_of_2007]Comprehensive Immigration Reform Act of 2007 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]


    kinda like the week before health care, except rhino leadership actually listened to the unambiguous and angry expression of american sentiment and backed down

    unlike health care, which the tone deaf president went on record as prepared to DEEM into being

    indeed, the party in power in the end resorted to CRAM to rewrite radically 1/6 of our economy (let alone all the SOCIAL changes imposed)

    radical immigration reform, like vat, is in obama's dna

    he would be compositionally, physically incapable of NOT picking it up

    and when, driven by force of character, he did embrace the querulous question of what to do with so many already here, how to keep more from coming, he must do so from an extremist, europeanized, internationalist bent

    but HOW and WHEN he was to advance this cause were open to political playmanship

    that is, he would've preferred to come down on the border in his usual wont

    once more, like vat---he'd mumble and surmise, dissemble and deny, all with moistoned finger stuck upright in the whafts of hot air certain to ensue

    once more, like health care---his ability to discern the real meanings of those reactions would be beyond his ken

    obama's legislative agenda, now that cap and trade is off the table, is 3---reg reform (monday, tomorrow, according to reid), immigration, some kinda compromise on climate

    arizona changes that

    now, it's gotta be---border, border, border

    which, to our extremist in the white house, can only be interpreted as---citizenship, citizenship, citizenship

    just what will the inclusion of 12 to 30 million formerly illegal neighbors and friends do to the bottom line, already busted, of obamacare?

    just how many minutes will it take the electorate to ask the obvious empirical?

    why can't obama see two moves ahead?

    he is, as always, on the extreme WRONG side of this issue

    ask bush/mccain

    ask the 70%

    70% of Arizona Voters Favor New State Measure Cracking Down On Illegal Immigration - Rasmussen Reports

    why has the maverick moved over?

    phoenix is the kidnap capital of the us

    the cartels are close to capturing their country

    the cartels appear to control border towns like ciudad

    while the cartels were killing americans from the embassy obama was in iowa selling health care which already passed

    Drug gang killers blamed in ambushes of three with U.S. ties - USATODAY.com)

    Anderson Cooper 360: Blog Archive - Obama returns to Iowa to sell health care - CNN.com Blogs

    immigration is thrust in obama's unready face

    it's gonna kill his party

    wall street's a dirty word, you can slap em and cuff em and americans will applaud

    but health care's different, it's in the gut

    and immigration even more so

    party on, progressives

    viva zapata!

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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    the action by arizona THRUSTS this ultimately explosive and incendiary issue upon the president

    do you recall when bush-mccain's "amnesty" exploded so violently in rhino faces the phone banks in dc were shut down, summer 07?

    Comprehensive Immigration Reform Act of 2007 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


    kinda like the week before health care, except rhino leadership actually listened to the unambiguous and angry expression of american sentiment and backed down

    unlike health care, which the tone deaf president went on record as prepared to DEEM into being

    indeed, the party in power in the end resorted to CRAM to rewrite radically 1/6 of our economy (let alone all the SOCIAL changes imposed)

    radical immigration reform, like vat, is in obama's dna

    he would be compositionally, physically incapable of NOT picking it up

    and when, driven by force of character, he did embrace the querulous question of what to do with so many already here, how to keep more from coming, he must do so from an extremist, europeanized, internationalist bent

    but HOW and WHEN he was to advance this cause were open to political playmanship

    that is, he would've preferred to come down on the border in his usual wont

    once more, like vat---he'd mumble and surmise, dissemble and deny, all with moistoned finger stuck upright in the whafts of hot air certain to ensue

    once more, like health care---his ability to discern the real meanings of those reactions would be beyond his ken

    obama's legislative agenda, now that cap and trade is off the table, is 3---reg reform (monday, tomorrow, according to reid), immigration, some kinda compromise on climate

    arizona changes that

    now, it's gotta be---border, border, border

    which, to our extremist in the white house, can only be interpreted as---citizenship, citizenship, citizenship

    just what will the inclusion of 12 to 30 million formerly illegal neighbors and friends do to the bottom line, already busted, of obamacare?

    just how many minutes will it take the electorate to ask the obvious empirical?

    why can't obama see two moves ahead?

    he is, as always, on the extreme WRONG side of this issue

    ask bush/mccain

    ask the 70%

    70% of Arizona Voters Favor New State Measure Cracking Down On Illegal Immigration - Rasmussen Reports

    why has the maverick moved over?

    phoenix is the kidnap capital of the us

    the cartels are close to capturing their country

    the cartels appear to control border towns like ciudad

    while the cartels were killing americans from the embassy obama was in iowa selling health care which already passed

    Drug gang killers blamed in ambushes of three with U.S. ties - USATODAY.com)

    Anderson Cooper 360: Blog Archive - Obama returns to Iowa to sell health care - CNN.com Blogs

    immigration is thrust in obama's unready face

    it's gonna kill his party

    wall street's a dirty word, you can slap em and cuff em and americans will applaud

    but health care's different, it's in the gut

    and immigration even more so

    party on, progressives

    viva zapata!
    WTH? Care to stick to the topic at hand?
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