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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Phoenix.
    Well we have eliminated Sheriff's deputy, Police Officer, Immigration officer and customs officer.
    So my next guess Court Officer, Parole officer or Detention officer.

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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by TBone View Post
    Wow, I am tired of you being blind. The law states "Allows a law enforcement officer, without a warrant, to arrest a person if the officer has probable cause to believe that the person has committed any public offense that makes the person removable from the U.S." SB1070 - 492R - Senate Fact Sheet.

    So, in your world how does an officer know if a person committed any public offense that makes the person removable from the us? Does he have radar? Or does he profile the person? I will talk slow so you can pick it up.


    I would think someone who claims to be in law enforcement would know what the hell a public offense are.

    Here is a list of Public offenses in Kansas.
    Uniform Public Offense Code
    Code:
    ARTICLE 1. GENERAL PROVISIONS
    
    DEFINITIONS
    
    LIABILITY FOR OFFENSES OF ANOTHER
    
    CORPORATIONS: CRIMINAL RESPONSIBILITY; INDIVIDUAL LIABILITY
    
     
    
    ARTICLE 2. ANTICIPATORY OFFENSES
    
    ATTEMPT
    
    CONSPIRACY
    
     
    
    ARTICLE 3. OFFENSES AGAINST PERSONS
    
    BATTERY
    
    BATTERY AGAINST A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER
    
    SEXUAL BATTERY
    
    ASSAULT
    
    ASSAULT OF A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER
    
    UNLAWFUL INTERFERENCE WITH FIREFIGHTER
    
    UNLAWFUL RESTRAINT
    
    MISTREATMENT OF CONFINED PERSON
    
    VIOLATION OF PROTECTION FROM ABUSE ORDER
    
    CRIMINAL DEFAMATION
    
     
    
    ARTICLE 4. SEX OFFENSES
    
    LEWD, LASCIVIOUS BEHAVIOR
    
    PROSTITUTION
    
    PROMOTING PROSTITUTION
    
    PATRONIZING A PROSTITUTE
    
     
    
    ARTICLE 5. OFFENSES AFFECTING CHILDREN
    
    CONTRIBUTING TO A CHILD'S MISCONDUCT OR DEPRIVATION
    
    FURNISHING ALCOHOLIC LIQUOR TO A MINOR
    
    FURNISHING CEREAL MALT BEVERAGE TO A MINOR
    
    ENDANGERING A CHILD
    
    WATERCRAFT; LIFESAVING DEVICES REQUIRED
    
    PURCHASE OR POSSESSION OF CIGARETTES OR TOBACCO PRODUCTS BY A MINOR
    
    SELLING, GIVING OR FURNISHING CIGARETTES OR TOBACCO PRODUCTS TO A MINOR
    
     
    
    ARTICLE 6. OFFENSES AGAINST PROPERTY
    
    THEFT
    
    INTENT; PERMANENTLY DEPRIVE
    
    THEFT; LOST, MISLAID PROPERTY
    
    THEFT OF SERVICES
    
    CRIMINAL DEPRIVATION OF PROPERTY
    
    CRIMINAL DAMAGE TO PROPERTY
    
    CRIMINAL TRESPASS
    
    LITTERING
    
    TAMPERING WITH A LANDMARK
    
    TAMPERING WITH A TRAFFIC SIGNAL
    
    UNLAWFUL MANUFACTURE OR DISPOSAL OF FALSE TOKENS
    
    SERIAL NUMBERS
    
    WITHHOLDING POSSESSION OF PUBLIC PROPERTY
    
    UNLAWFUL DEPOSITS IN SEWERS
    
    DAMAGING SEWERS
    
    GIVING A WORTHLESS CHECK
    
    CRIMINAL USE OF A FINANCIAL CARD
    
    MOTOR VEHICLE DEALERS; SELLING MOTOR VEHICLES WITHOUT A LICENSE
    
    EQUITY SKIMMING
    
     
    
    ARTICLE 7. OFFENSES AFFECTING GOVERNMENTAL FUNCTIONS
    
    COMPOUNDING AN OFFENSE
    
    OBSTRUCTING LEGAL PROCESS OR OFFICIAL DUTY
    
    ESCAPE FROM CUSTODY
    
    INTERFERENCE; ADMINISTRATION OF JUSTICE
    
    FALSELY REPORTING AN OFFENSE
    
    PERFORMANCE OF UNAUTHORIZED OFFICIAL ACT
    
    SIMULATING LEGAL PROCESS
    
    TAMPERING WITH PUBLIC RECORD
    
    TAMPERING WITH PUBLIC NOTICE
    
    FALSE SIGNING OF PETITION
    
    FALSE IMPERSONATION
    
    INTERFERENCE; CONDUCT, PUBLIC BUSINESS IN PUBLIC BUILDING
    
    INTERFERENCE WITH POLICE DOGS
    
         
    
    ARTICLE 8. DENIAL OF CIVIL RIGHTS
    
    DENIAL OF CIVIL RIGHTS
    
     
    
    ARTICLE 9. OFFENSES AGAINST PUBLIC PEACE
    
    DISORDERLY CONDUCT
    
    UNLAWFUL ASSEMBLY
    
    REMAINING AT UNLAWFUL ASSEMBLY
    
    RIOT
    
    MAINTAINING A PUBLIC NUISANCE
    
    PERMITTING A PUBLIC NUISANCE
    
    GIVING A FALSE ALARM
    
    CRIMINAL DESECRATION
    
    HARASSMENT BY TELEPHONE
    
    PICKETING OF FUNERALS
    
    HARASSMENT BY TELEFACSIMILE COMMUNICATION
    
    UNLAWFUL POSTING OF POLITICAL PICTURES AND POLITICAL ADVERTISEMENTS
    
     
    
    ARTICLE 10. OFFENSES AGAINST PUBLIC SAFETY
    
    CRIMINAL USE OF WEAPONS
    
    DRAWING A WEAPON UPON ANOTHER
    
    CRIMINAL DISPOSAL OF FIREARMS
    
    CRIMINAL POSSESSION OF A FIREARM
    
    CONFISCATION, DISPOSITION OF WEAPONS
    
    UNLAWFUL DISCHARGE OF FIREARMS
    
    AIR GUN, AIR RIFLE, BOW AND ARROW SLINGSHOT OR BB GUN
    
    SEIZURE OF WEAPON
    
    UNLAWFUL AIDING, ABETTING
    
    CARRYING CONCEALED EXPLOSIVES
    
    DEFACING IDENTIFICATION MARKS OF A FIREARM
    
    CREATING A HAZARD
    
    UNLAWFUL FAILURE TO REPORT A WOUND
    
    BARBED WIRE
    
    COMMUNICABLE DISEASES; PROHIBITED ACTIVITIES
    
    OPERATING A VESSEL UNDER THE INFLUENCE OF INTOXICATING LIQUOR OR DRUGS
    
    THROWING OBJECTS
    
    TATTOOING OR BODY PIERCING; PERSONS UNDER AGE 18
    
     
    
    ARTICLE 11. OFFENSES AGAINST PUBLIC MORALS
    
    MATERIAL HARMFUL TO MINORS
    
    GAMBLING
    
    PERMITTING PREMISES TO BE USED FOR COMMERCIAL GAMBLING
    
    POSSESSION OF A GAMBLING DEVICE
    
    CRUELTY TO ANIMALS
    Obviously not all these public offenses will get someone deported so here is something that does say which public offenses that would get one deported.

    Code:
    http://www.nationalimmigrationproject.org/CrimPage/crim_mats_april_2003.doc
    http://www.criminalandimmigrationlaw.com/public/Deportation_Grounds_Checklist.pdf
    In order to prove a person is removable, you must ask that person where he is from or you must approach him.

    No you don't, see above.That person has to be suspected of a public offense that would cause someone to be deported. So you are a liar trying to claim the bill allows racial profiling.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

    Cicero Marcus Tullius

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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by CHOLLA TOO View Post
    A law enforcement officer (also called peace officer), in North America, is any public-sector employee or agent charged with upholding the peace, mainly police officers, correctional officers, customs officers, immigration officers, court officers, probation officers, parole officers, auxiliary officers, and sheriffs, marshals, and their deputies. A security guard is not normally a law enforcement officer.

    Modern legal codes use the term peace officer (or in some jurisdictions, law enforcement officer) to include every person vested by the legislating state with law-enforcement authority—traditionally, anyone "sworn, badged, and armable" but, basically, who can arrest, or refer such arrest for a criminal prosecution. Hence, city police officers, county sheriffs' deputies, and state troopers are usually vested with the same authority within a given jurisdiction.

    which one are you ?
    I suspect none of the above seeing how he didn't know a public offense is.


    Justia :: Glossary & Dictionary Public Offense
    A crime. Compare to private or civil wrongs that violate "private laws," for example, a contract between two parties. The difference between civil/private and criminal/public wrongs is that public offenses focus on the behavior of the offender while the law of civil wrongs focuses on making an injured person whole. (
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

    Cicero Marcus Tullius

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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    I would think someone who claims to be in law enforcement would know what the hell a public offense are.

    Here is a list of Public offenses in Kansas.
    Uniform Public Offense Code
    Code:
    ARTICLE 1. GENERAL PROVISIONS
    
    DEFINITIONS
    
    LIABILITY FOR OFFENSES OF ANOTHER
    
    CORPORATIONS: CRIMINAL RESPONSIBILITY; INDIVIDUAL LIABILITY
    
     
    
    ARTICLE 2. ANTICIPATORY OFFENSES
    
    ATTEMPT
    
    CONSPIRACY
    
     
    
    ARTICLE 3. OFFENSES AGAINST PERSONS
    
    BATTERY
    
    BATTERY AGAINST A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER
    
    SEXUAL BATTERY
    
    ASSAULT
    
    ASSAULT OF A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER
    
    UNLAWFUL INTERFERENCE WITH FIREFIGHTER
    
    UNLAWFUL RESTRAINT
    
    MISTREATMENT OF CONFINED PERSON
    
    VIOLATION OF PROTECTION FROM ABUSE ORDER
    
    CRIMINAL DEFAMATION
    
     
    
    ARTICLE 4. SEX OFFENSES
    
    LEWD, LASCIVIOUS BEHAVIOR
    
    PROSTITUTION
    
    PROMOTING PROSTITUTION
    
    PATRONIZING A PROSTITUTE
    
     
    
    ARTICLE 5. OFFENSES AFFECTING CHILDREN
    
    CONTRIBUTING TO A CHILD'S MISCONDUCT OR DEPRIVATION
    
    FURNISHING ALCOHOLIC LIQUOR TO A MINOR
    
    FURNISHING CEREAL MALT BEVERAGE TO A MINOR
    
    ENDANGERING A CHILD
    
    WATERCRAFT; LIFESAVING DEVICES REQUIRED
    
    PURCHASE OR POSSESSION OF CIGARETTES OR TOBACCO PRODUCTS BY A MINOR
    
    SELLING, GIVING OR FURNISHING CIGARETTES OR TOBACCO PRODUCTS TO A MINOR
    
     
    
    ARTICLE 6. OFFENSES AGAINST PROPERTY
    
    THEFT
    
    INTENT; PERMANENTLY DEPRIVE
    
    THEFT; LOST, MISLAID PROPERTY
    
    THEFT OF SERVICES
    
    CRIMINAL DEPRIVATION OF PROPERTY
    
    CRIMINAL DAMAGE TO PROPERTY
    
    CRIMINAL TRESPASS
    
    LITTERING
    
    TAMPERING WITH A LANDMARK
    
    TAMPERING WITH A TRAFFIC SIGNAL
    
    UNLAWFUL MANUFACTURE OR DISPOSAL OF FALSE TOKENS
    
    SERIAL NUMBERS
    
    WITHHOLDING POSSESSION OF PUBLIC PROPERTY
    
    UNLAWFUL DEPOSITS IN SEWERS
    
    DAMAGING SEWERS
    
    GIVING A WORTHLESS CHECK
    
    CRIMINAL USE OF A FINANCIAL CARD
    
    MOTOR VEHICLE DEALERS; SELLING MOTOR VEHICLES WITHOUT A LICENSE
    
    EQUITY SKIMMING
    
     
    
    ARTICLE 7. OFFENSES AFFECTING GOVERNMENTAL FUNCTIONS
    
    COMPOUNDING AN OFFENSE
    
    OBSTRUCTING LEGAL PROCESS OR OFFICIAL DUTY
    
    ESCAPE FROM CUSTODY
    
    INTERFERENCE; ADMINISTRATION OF JUSTICE
    
    FALSELY REPORTING AN OFFENSE
    
    PERFORMANCE OF UNAUTHORIZED OFFICIAL ACT
    
    SIMULATING LEGAL PROCESS
    
    TAMPERING WITH PUBLIC RECORD
    
    TAMPERING WITH PUBLIC NOTICE
    
    FALSE SIGNING OF PETITION
    
    FALSE IMPERSONATION
    
    INTERFERENCE; CONDUCT, PUBLIC BUSINESS IN PUBLIC BUILDING
    
    INTERFERENCE WITH POLICE DOGS
    
         
    
    ARTICLE 8. DENIAL OF CIVIL RIGHTS
    
    DENIAL OF CIVIL RIGHTS
    
     
    
    ARTICLE 9. OFFENSES AGAINST PUBLIC PEACE
    
    DISORDERLY CONDUCT
    
    UNLAWFUL ASSEMBLY
    
    REMAINING AT UNLAWFUL ASSEMBLY
    
    RIOT
    
    MAINTAINING A PUBLIC NUISANCE
    
    PERMITTING A PUBLIC NUISANCE
    
    GIVING A FALSE ALARM
    
    CRIMINAL DESECRATION
    
    HARASSMENT BY TELEPHONE
    
    PICKETING OF FUNERALS
    
    HARASSMENT BY TELEFACSIMILE COMMUNICATION
    
    UNLAWFUL POSTING OF POLITICAL PICTURES AND POLITICAL ADVERTISEMENTS
    
     
    
    ARTICLE 10. OFFENSES AGAINST PUBLIC SAFETY
    
    CRIMINAL USE OF WEAPONS
    
    DRAWING A WEAPON UPON ANOTHER
    
    CRIMINAL DISPOSAL OF FIREARMS
    
    CRIMINAL POSSESSION OF A FIREARM
    
    CONFISCATION, DISPOSITION OF WEAPONS
    
    UNLAWFUL DISCHARGE OF FIREARMS
    
    AIR GUN, AIR RIFLE, BOW AND ARROW SLINGSHOT OR BB GUN
    
    SEIZURE OF WEAPON
    
    UNLAWFUL AIDING, ABETTING
    
    CARRYING CONCEALED EXPLOSIVES
    
    DEFACING IDENTIFICATION MARKS OF A FIREARM
    
    CREATING A HAZARD
    
    UNLAWFUL FAILURE TO REPORT A WOUND
    
    BARBED WIRE
    
    COMMUNICABLE DISEASES; PROHIBITED ACTIVITIES
    
    OPERATING A VESSEL UNDER THE INFLUENCE OF INTOXICATING LIQUOR OR DRUGS
    
    THROWING OBJECTS
    
    TATTOOING OR BODY PIERCING; PERSONS UNDER AGE 18
    
     
    
    ARTICLE 11. OFFENSES AGAINST PUBLIC MORALS
    
    MATERIAL HARMFUL TO MINORS
    
    GAMBLING
    
    PERMITTING PREMISES TO BE USED FOR COMMERCIAL GAMBLING
    
    POSSESSION OF A GAMBLING DEVICE
    
    CRUELTY TO ANIMALS
    Obviously not all these public offenses will get someone deported so here is something that does say which public offenses that would get one deported.

    Code:
    http://www.nationalimmigrationproject.org/CrimPage/crim_mats_april_2003.doc
    http://www.criminalandimmigrationlaw.com/public/Deportation_Grounds_Checklist.pdf


    No you don't, see above.That person has to be suspected of a public offense that would cause someone to be deported. So you are a liar trying to claim the bill allows racial profiling.
    Don't spin the public offense they speak of hear is entering the us illegally. So how do you know if someone entered the US illegally?
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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by TBone View Post
    Wow, I am tired of you being blind. The law states "Allows a law enforcement officer, without a warrant, to arrest a person if the officer has probable cause to believe that the person has committed any public offense that makes the person removable from the U.S." SB1070 - 492R - Senate Fact Sheet.
    So you can't prove your bull**** charge that they can stop based on race.

    Got it.

    Your lies once again were exposed.

    So, in your world how does an officer know if a person committed any public offense that makes the person removable from the us? Does he have radar? Or does he profile the person? I will talk slow so you can pick it up.

    In order to prove a person is removable, you must ask that person where he is from or you must approach him. Now since the law is in AZ, the majority of illegals are hispanic, so the officer that approaches this person is going to ask a latino, not an anglo, or asian, etc. Now that is racial profiling. Show me the lie again? SB1070 - 492R - Senate Fact Sheet
    The MAJORITY not ALL. You can't claim its racist if it doesn't target a specific group!

    Your lies are more transparent all the time.

    And you still cannot point to a single section that says its ok to target someone based on race.

    What a shocker
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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    I suspect none of the above seeing how he didn't know a public offense is.


    Justia :: Glossary & Dictionary Public Offense
    A crime. Compare to private or civil wrongs that violate "private laws," for example, a contract between two parties. The difference between civil/private and criminal/public wrongs is that public offenses focus on the behavior of the offender while the law of civil wrongs focuses on making an injured person whole. (
    Wow, and the you are now the expert. I answered your question the public offense they speak of is entering the us illegally.
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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by TBone View Post
    Don't spin the public offense they speak of hear is entering the us illegally.

    What you quoted said any public offenses that makes a person removable form the U.S.So that means if we go by your quote then that means someone suspected of a deportable offense.


    "Allows a law enforcement officer, without a warrant, to arrest a person if the officer has probable cause to believe that the person has committed any public offense that makes the person removable from the U.S."
    So how do you know if someone entered the US illegally?
    When that person is arrested you ask for proof of citizenship or legal status.This is what Oklahoma or at Tulsa does.If you get arrested the police will ask you for proof of legal status regardless of the color of your skin.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

    Cicero Marcus Tullius

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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    So you can't prove your bull**** charge that they can stop based on race.

    Got it.

    Your lies once again were exposed.



    The MAJORITY not ALL. You can't claim its racist if it doesn't target a specific group!

    Your lies are more transparent all the time.

    And you still cannot point to a single section that says its ok to target someone based on race.

    What a shocker
    What a shocker, You did not expose ****, you twisted it. My arguement is there dwell on it. Digest it. Accept it.
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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by TBone View Post
    Wow, and the you are now the expert.
    Seeing how you claim to be in law enforcement you should know what a public offense is. Because isn't that like in your job description to deal with that sort of stuff like burglary,murder,theft and etc? Are you Apparently you are lying about being in law enforcement and only read what you wanted to or you are hopping that someone doesn't know what the hell a public offense is or bother to look it up on the internet just to spread pro-illegals fear mongering. So what kind of "peace officer" are you?

    I answered your question the public offense they speak of is entering the us illegally.
    You should read your quote they said "any public offense that makes the person removable from the U.S.".
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

    Cicero Marcus Tullius

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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    What you quoted said any public offenses that makes a person removable form the U.S.So that means if we go by your quote then that means someone suspected of a deportable offense.


    "Allows a law enforcement officer, without a warrant, to arrest a person if the officer has probable cause to believe that the person has committed any public offense that makes the person removable from the U.S."


    When that person is arrested you ask for proof of citizenship or legal status.This is what Oklahoma or at Tulsa does.If you get arrested the police will ask you for proof of legal status regardless of the color of your skin.
    I am not denying this fact. Your are correct, if arrested, and legally stopped, or you attempt to enter the us, or fly on a plan, you are obligated to present ID.

    Does law enforcement have the right to ID me if I am doing nothing illegal? If they have no reason or probable cause to stop you or I?
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