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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    This is really a wonderful bill, and looking at the Democrats it seems like they are truly the party of "no." They have no solid reason to object and criticism is typically fear mongering saying that this bill will result in widespread racial profiling and civil rights for Hispanics will be compromised. None of that is happening, none of that is in the bill. The bill is a much needed piece of legislation for Arizona. The Democrats are the ones saying "no" and trying to halt real progress on a state level.

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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    No, it doesn't allow for probably cause on the basis of skin color any more than any other application of probable cause does.

    What happens when people reporting are wrong? Well, nothing. They're just wrong. Just like any other time people call and report something and they're wrong.

    As for probable cause. Well yeah, the inability to speak english could certainly be one. Also hanging out in a known illegal immigrant area... such as places where they pick up day workers. Etc, etc.

    I mean.. omg... if they're wrong and someone shows their ID, is the ****ing world going to end?

    They are not wrong it does involve racial profiling. Im not saying Arizona should not do what they feel as a state to fix their problem but country wide this is a problem. In different regions this exact law can be misinterpreted to fit the needs of whoever. Arizona is trying it out and I wish them success. Just like that black dude Gates who was entering his house and police came it led to a beer summit. Just if you are told you arent an American because you disagree with government. Those feeling are the same and can translate to problems. This will be a trying time for Arizona not to only prove their point through success but to prove they can control their people on either side. Whether to enforce this or not to go overboard. There will be some who go overboard who are now protected by the law. Its not a perfect world people always messes things up for everyone else you have to recognize that point. That other people arent as civil and educated as yourself therefore there is reason and past outcome through blacks that show what profiling does to a police force as well as a nation. Im not saying it wont work but there will be problems therefore that inability to not state cleary in the legislation what not to do will lead to civil disobedience on both sides.
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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    Skin color won't matter. If anything what would stick out the most is if the person speaks Spanish and knows little to know English, and in that case it would strongly suggest that they are illegal. I believe legal immigrant have to pass an English comprehension test.

    You are partially right. It is naturalized Americans who have to pass a English comprehension test. How ever all other legal immigrants are legally required to carry their immigration documents. So someone not speaking english is a good indication that either that person is here illegally or he or she should have documents to prove that there are here legally.


    I think the race/discrimination card is just being played to try and make the Republicans seem racist or to hurt support for the bill. If 95% of the illegals are Hispanic then that doesn't mean that the law is racist.
    Are agree. Pro-illegals are just using fear mongering with no evidence what so ever to support their claims. Did Oklahoma get this much attention when it passed HB1804 otherwise know as the Tax payer protection act? If the liberal media outlets in Arizona are anything like the ones in Oklahoma then Arizona will probably see some "boo hoo we need illegals" stories if they are not already doing those stories now.
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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by TBone View Post
    I am not going to flog this horse any longer. You have your beliefs, and I have mine. You don't think it is an invasion of privacy to be checked, I think it is when you only check a certain class. No ill will, good luck.
    Yet you can't even explain how its an invasion of privacy.

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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    Yet you can't even explain how its an invasion of privacy.

    If you continue to look at everything through the prism of race you will never grow.
    It is an invasion of privacy to stop me only on the basis of being a certain group. If I sit on a bench, not breaking any law, and because hyou think I a am here illegally becasuse I am latino. You have no cause to ID me, you are invading my privacy. What right do you have to disturb me if I am doing nothing? None.
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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    If you continue to look at everything through the prism of race you will never grow.
    And, if you think this was not racially motivated, you are ignorant.
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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by TBone View Post
    Wow, you think I don't pay taxes. I pay a lot of taxes. Too much taxes. Maybe even more than you. What bracket are you in?

    I don't like supporting anyone. I don't believe in welfare or a free ride. I am not a liberal.

    The argument I am making is not to support illegal aliens, send them all back. I don't want them here illegally.

    My argument is that the law allows a police officer to come up to me and ask me for proof of citizenship because I am latino. The probable cause he uses is the fact that I am in Arizona, and a majority of illegal aliens are latinos, then since I am latino, I may or may not be here legally.

    Hell, you want me to me happy that he's checking me. I should be happy for the inconvenience?

    So would you be happy if the police could randomly search an anglo who may be a right wing extremist, someone bent on supporting a militia that wants to over throw the US government?. After all, most right wing extremist are anglos? If the person is legal, then what is the big deal?
    Well, if you are going to claim that they are all corrupt, or incompetent, or both...




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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Are agree. Pro-illegals are just using fear mongering with no evidence what so ever to support their claims.
    Let's see fear mongering. Checking all latino US citizens for legal status is not fear mongering. The brown menance is going to get you.

    Conservatives sway their constituents with fear. Remember WMD, never materialized. Saddams ties to Al Queda, never proven. Everyday the right pundits cry that the government is infridging on us. Yeah, the pro-illegals are the only ones spreading fear
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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by TBone View Post
    Let's see fear mongering. Checking all latino US citizens for legal status is not fear mongering. The brown menance is going to get you.

    Conservatives sway their constituents with fear. Remember WMD, never materialized. Saddams ties to Al Queda, never proven. Everyday the right pundits cry that the government is infridging on us. Yeah, the pro-illegals are the only ones spreading fear
    Lol it was proven a wrong move. You now have a country who hated Iran with a strong leader who hated Iran to combat Iran. Now the actual country who is building weapons and support terrorism now some want to go to war with. Suddam was itching for our and the worlds approval he would have aided us against the common enemy to aid himself before they reached this status of a nuclear capable country. Now what a new war which will embolden terrorist who we are on the vurge of erradicating. Laughable with a bit of saddness mixed in.
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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    [quote=TBone;1058708846]Let's see fear mongering.
    Checking all latino US citizens for legal status is not fear mongering.
    Seeing how it is pro-illegals who are claiming this it is fear mongering.

    The brown menance is going to get you.
    I do not think anyone has made this claim except for pro-illegals. Most illegal immigration opponents do not have a problem with "Brown-skinned" people.
    You are a aware that a lot of the police in Arizona are of Hispanic decent, some maybe even of native American decent as well.

    Conservatives sway their constituents with fear.
    Are you saying Liberals don't? What about the man made global warming fairy tale religion that religious nuts in the movement try to shove down our throats?


    Remember WMD, never materialized.
    Saddam has had WMDs in the past, Saddam gave everyone including liberal democrats that he did have WMDs. So it is idiotic and loony to say "Bush lied".



    Everyday the right pundits cry that the government is infridging on us.
    Waiting periods, limits, license/permit requirements and registrations requirements and bans are an infringement on rights.


    Yeah, the pro-illegals are the only ones spreading fear
    Politicians on both sides of the isle use fear mongering.
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