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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Boomyal View Post
    Oh but, you know that they will bill it as such! Just like 95+% of terrorists are arab muslims. If you try to call it such, you will be vilified as racist!

    The same, I might add, if you vehemently disagree with Obama's policies, you are, no doubt, a racist.

    It is the game they play when they have no other arguement.
    Sort of like, when you opposed the Bush administration, and his war in Iraq, you were a traitor? Or, sort of like when you vote against the GOP, you are a liberal. Your side pigeon holes like everyone else.
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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    Same way they did before this law was signed...somebody called the cops and the cops responded and apprehend someone, and that someone can't speak english...
    The law abiding illegals will be the last deported. If you don't cause trouble, you will likely be ignored by everyone, including the cops.
    The problem is in your own definition. The word likely opens up the door for so many troubles and the only people who will understand that are the people who likely affects and will affect

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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Boomyal View Post
    Oh but, you know that they will bill it as such! Just like 95+% of terrorists are arab muslims. If you try to call it such, you will be vilified as racist!

    The same, I might add, if you vehemently disagree with Obama's policies, you are, no doubt, a racist.

    It is the game they play when they have no other arguement.
    If you factor in the whole of the world its 95% but if you isolate terrorism to merely the US I would say about 1% the united states government and the people who reside here do way more damage because our brave men and women are fighting day and night to protect us from Muslim extremist these days. But not so much from government and regular crime because they are being discouraged from doing so at every smart decision they make.

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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by TBone View Post
    Sort of like, when you opposed the Bush administration, and his war in Iraq, you were a traitor? Or, sort of like when you vote against the GOP, you are a liberal. Your side pigeon holes like everyone else.
    Yes you are right. ButThe fault is our own. We stand to hate to politician grouping him or her with an issue and lose focus from the actual issues. The simple truth I will say in a metaphor.

    Imagine two lands one has an Army hell bent on conquering and one is just a land of free living people. Now with the opposing army threating that peace of the free only do they attempt to build a defense against that army. But instead of building that army of protection whose goal is to be respected enough to cause peace with action and defense you now have farmers picking up a sword for the first time thinking the sword alone that will save them.

    Government is established and its functions are established. This issues that envelope social climate are issues that have been long standing threating our nation now on the vurge of defeat people choose to ridicule a peace of legislation by Barack Obama that so called takes our rights? Instead of focusing on triumphs in the form of legislations that grant more. Everyone is against but never for and those established proposing ideas better serve success because they have a goal not just a target. If you oppose healthcare and immigration its not the laws to be created at fault but the system and inaction of the American people to allow such decision making. So they can rave and rant all they want but it does nothing for a true cause but postpone the inevitable
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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    It doesn't have to be in the law. Let me ask you a single question - How would law enforcement in Arizona know that the law is being broken? In other words, what is probable cause to suspect that a felony has been committed in connection with this law?
    Same as with any other law. They can search you with probable cause, etc. They have to have probable cause though. How is this any different than any other application of probable cause?

    Answer: It's not.

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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    Same as with any other law. They can search you with probable cause, etc. They have to have probable cause though. How is this any different than any other application of probable cause?

    Answer: It's not.
    With any legislation there is perspective and this piece of legislation allows for people to determine what probable cause is in the form of skin color. American citizens will indeed do their civic duty and call the police but what happens when they are wrong?

    What is probable cause? Other than broken english and skin color.

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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by TBone View Post
    You live here, and you know that Sheriff Joe is only trying to get publicity. If he did his job and shut his mouth, and if he was not posing with neo nazis, we would not say anything.

    Last week, Phoenix Police with ICE and DEA busted a human smuggling ring that started in Mexico and smuggled illegals from Mexico to Tucson and Phoenix. In fact, they had cooperation from the Mexican gov't.

    There were no protests.
    His only goal in life is publicity? I get it, you like paying taxes to support non-citizens...or do you even pay taxes?

    Joe will not likely ever get replaced, until he dies. And even then, it won't be a democrat that wins that office.....
    That is how it is. If you want a more liberal state govt, try California, the nearly bankrupt state....
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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    His only goal in life is publicity? I get it, you like paying taxes to support non-citizens...or do you even pay taxes?

    Joe will not likely ever get replaced, until he dies. And even then, it won't be a democrat that wins that office.....
    That is how it is. If you want a more liberal state govt, try California, the nearly bankrupt state....
    Wow, how you got that from my post, I will never know.

    Joe will be indicted and removed. I did not state I wanted a democrat for sheriff. This state will never have democrat for anything but govenor, which is a head scratcher.

    The fact that you think our state is a better financial state that California is amazing. We are not in the same shape, but we are in bad shape. In fact, we have not had a budget for how long?

    No, I don't want liberal gov't, I want intelligent gov't. Hey I'd love for Barry Goldwater to return from the grave to slap around the idiots in our gov't, including McCain and Kyle. I thought Janet was and is an idiot as govenor and sec of DHS.

    The yahoos in our gov't are just that yahoos. The governor is an idiot, the legislature is made up of conservative, whimpy moderates who are scared of russell pearce, and silent democrats, who lack back bone an.

    The county government, a majority of all GOP, one democrat, are clowns. The sheriff thinks he's god or Napolian (sic), the ex county attorney was living in lala land, and he will be disbared soon. the board of supervisors are crooked and built a court tower that was not needed and laid off workers and took away money from law enforcement.

    Nope, I will not leave, I don't run from a fight. We need to fix this mess and get competent persons in gov't, all persons to vote. I don't care if it is GOP or Dem.
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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by TBone View Post
    You made the mistake assuming I am a liberal. I don't assume anything.
    I'm not assuming anything. I'm taking you at your word:

    If people of color and minorities voted, we would not have right wingers in power.

    So you are telling me Conservative politicians can be trusted?
    At least they don't believe non whites are some subhuman group who have to have separate laws in order to protect them.
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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    I'm not assuming anything. I'm taking you at your word:

    If people of color and minorities voted, we would not have right wingers in power.



    At least they don't believe non whites are some subhuman group who have to have separate laws in order to protect them.
    No, some conservatives believe it is okay to violate the rights of others as long as it protects them and does not affect their rights. The fact that you believe that any politician can be trusted amazes me. Right, Middle, and left all have an agenda, and will piss on anyone to move their agenda.
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