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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    You can't blame Arizona at all on this. I don't see the problem with it. If you are here illegally, what is wrong with a state picking up the slack for the federal government? After all, the costs for medical care, housing, crime, and public education associated with those that come here illegally is primarily born by the states, so why not let the states help enforce immigration law?

    I am left of center on a lot of issues. But the fact is, we can't afford to provide education and healthcare for the kids of every illegal that makes it across the Sonora Desert.
    Here is the problem with it. A nuclear physicist from Chicago could be arrested for leaving his identification in his hotel room while visiting Arizona, his only crime being that his name might be Gonzalez. OK, so they straighten it out and he is let go. That would not mitigate the fact that he spent several hours in jail only because he is Hispanic.

    You all know how I feel about illegal immigrants, and wanting them shipped back to where they came from. But I also feel strongly about something called the Constitution. Profiling in this manner is clearly unconstitutional, and I expect that it won't be too long before SCOTUS strikes this law down. I also expect that, when it happens, there will be some here, who support this law, who will be ranting and raving about that Liberal, Justice Roberts, and his Liberal Supreme Court. LOL.

    Finally, if you want to do something about illegal aliens, there is a much better solution than this racist law - Arrest employers who hire illegal aliens, and give them serious jail time. Why isn't Arizona doing that? That might have to do with skin color too.
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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Here is the problem with it. A nuclear physicist from Chicago could be arrested for leaving his identification in his hotel room while visiting Arizona, his only crime being that his name might be Gonzalez. OK, so they straighten it out and he is let go. That would not mitigate the fact that he spent several hours in jail only because he is Hispanic.

    You all know how I feel about illegal immigrants, and wanting them shipped back to where they came from. But I also feel strongly about something called the Constitution. Profiling in this manner is clearly unconstitutional, and I expect that it won't be too long before SCOTUS strikes this law down. I also expect that, when it happens, there will be some here, who support this law, who will be ranting and raving about that Liberal, Justice Roberts, and his Liberal Supreme Court. LOL.

    Finally, if you want to do something about illegal aliens, there is a much better solution than this racist law - Arrest employers who hire illegal aliens, and give them serious jail time. Why isn't Arizona doing that? That might have to do with skin color too.
    I don't see anything in the law that states anything at all regarding hispanic looking people shall be harrassed.

    Did I miss something? Did the law mention hispanic looking people somewhere?

    Or did it say something to the effect of a cop having a reasonable suspicion that someone was committing a crime?

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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    I don't see anything in the law that states anything at all regarding hispanic looking people shall be harrassed.

    Did I miss something? Did the law mention hispanic looking people somewhere?

    Or did it say something to the effect of a cop having a reasonable suspicion that someone was committing a crime?
    According to the law, that "reasonable suspicion" is based on skin color, and skin color alone.
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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    if only net tax payers could vote, the dems would not win any more presidential elections
    Sorry chum -- but the GOP would lose the white trash bigots and blue collar Christians in the south.

    The ignorance of some people on this board, thinking that white folks don't take handouts, don't collect unemployment, don't collect welfare and food stamps...

    The Average Welfare child is white, has one sibling and an unmarried mother. Whites, not blacks, collect the greatest share of public dollars.

    You only allow "net tax payers" to vote and the great GOP Southern Strategy goes into the toilet.

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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by cholla View Post
    Hi
    This is Cholla's wife.
    I believe Willcox already lost one battle over immigration with Sheriff Joe.
    You have to live here to get it.
    At my daughters school 60% of the children are on FREE lunches and breakfasts. This is a Federal program, so although you don't live here you get to pay for it. The Hispanic population at the school is very worried as a large percentage are Illegal, our Principal is Hispanic but knows that our school funding has been cut because there is not enough money to educate children whose parents are not contributing to the State.
    One simple example of what illegals cost we the citizens of Arizona.
    My 21 year old neice's car was hit and totaled, the car that hit her raced into a parking lot where 5 Hispanic men got out of the car and took off running. The car had no current registration was not insured, they caught the driver as he was injured, he was transported to the hospital and treated, then arrested as he was in the country illegally. Who paid for the ambulance ? The medical care ? My neices deductable ? Her insurance paid her for her car, how does that work how does the insurance company recoup that loss ? Our insurance rate are out of this world . This type of thing happens every day in Phoenix. We bear the costs, and now we are broke, and our children are at risk of being in classes of 30 to 40 in elementary school, who could teach to that crowd.

    We are so happy this bill was signed
    No doubt, but the Libs and their ever so 'tolerant' and 'fair' centrist, independant and moderate cohorts will just right this all off as anecdotal.

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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    According to the law, that "reasonable suspicion" is based on skin color, and skin color alone.
    Where is that written in the law? I saw no mention of skin color

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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    It isn't going to be skin color that gets illegals arrested, not near as much as the person's inability to respond in english when questioned in english....

    If the federal govt isn't going to enforce its immigration laws, and the states are suffering financially, what are the options?

    Arizona is trying to avoid ending up like California. All the western states should do likewise.

    As for the nuclear physicist example, how far fetched can you get?
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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    Where is that written in the law? I saw no mention of skin color
    It doesn't have to be in the law. Let me ask you a single question - How would law enforcement in Arizona know that the law is being broken? In other words, what is probable cause to suspect that a felony has been committed in connection with this law?
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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Skin color won't matter. If anything what would stick out the most is if the person speaks Spanish and knows little to know English, and in that case it would strongly suggest that they are illegal. I believe legal immigrant have to pass an English comprehension test. I think the race/discrimination card is just being played to try and make the Republicans seem racist or to hurt support for the bill. If 95% of the illegals are Hispanic then that doesn't mean that the law is racist.

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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    It doesn't have to be in the law. Let me ask you a single question - How would law enforcement in Arizona know that the law is being broken? In other words, what is probable cause to suspect that a felony has been committed in connection with this law?
    Same way they did before this law was signed...somebody called the cops and the cops responded and apprehend someone, and that someone can't speak english...
    The law abiding illegals will be the last deported. If you don't cause trouble, you will likely be ignored by everyone, including the cops.
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