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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Vader View Post
    Actually, he is correct, texmaster. Immigration is a FEDERAL issue. That is the federal government has an immigration enforcement body and the states do not.

    He said crime is a state issue.


    Jan Brewer signed her own recall papers when she signed that bill.


    A recall of the govener would be by the voters of this state and 70% support the law, Not a lot of recall happening there.

    The SCOTUS will likely throw it out.... and when it does Arizona is going to have egg on its face.
    Of course this remains to be seen.

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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Vader View Post
    Mine always do; however, the do not check birth records to verify nationality.
    It is law in AZ
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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    if only net tax payers could vote, the dems would not win any more presidential elections
    Really, so your assumption is that only persons who don't pay takes elect democrats? Wow.
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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    ......My country club is full of rich white women who voted for Obama so they could tell themselves they really were not "racist" even though that guy stood for everything that is hostile to their lifestyles.........
    Nail on Head~~~one huge step closer to Liberal Valhalla, indeed!
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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    You should read their illegal immigrant laws. They make ours look like Mary Poppins

    In know, Illegally being in Mexico is a felony, with immediate deportation.
    My point was that we went there legally and contributed to the economy. Not the other way around, thus, they like us there.

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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Boomyal View Post
    Oh sure, like whine a lot, as Obama is already doing?

    Arizona is doing nothing more than what the Feds should have done, years ago.
    Don't get me wrong. I agree with the law being signed. I was just agreeing that in a perfect world the Feds should have the job to control illegals. Since they have not, I see nothing wrong with what Az has done.

    Tbone: in one of your posts you stated you wanted the Feds to do the "sweeps" for illegals, yet you object to the AZ bill. Question, since you are in law enforcement. What is the difference if the Feds (ICE) arrest or detain illegals or the local LE? IMO, it is every LE job to enforce the laws of the US.
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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    TBone:
    Since you stated your a LE in AZ and a latino. If the law withstands challanges and you have to enforce it, how will you apply the law in your day to day patrols?

    IMO, I don't see LE stopping latino looking people just because. I don't see LE asking are you a US citizen every time they stop someone for like a traffic violation. I do see them checking in cases where the vehicle has no tags, mexican plates, people cannot speak english.
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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by mike2810 View Post
    Don't get me wrong. I agree with the law being signed. I was just agreeing that in a perfect world the Feds should have the job to control illegals. Since they have not, I see nothing wrong with what Az has done.

    Tbone: in one of your posts you stated you wanted the Feds to do the "sweeps" for illegals, yet you object to the AZ bill. Question, since you are in law enforcement. What is the difference if the Feds (ICE) arrest or detain illegals or the local LE? IMO, it is every LE job to enforce the laws of the US.
    What has happen, that the ordinary citizen does not see, is that when local LE does this, they pick up the bill. We incarcerate them, jail cost, etc. You're right LE should enforce laws, but ICE (Feds), give the appearance of doing nothing. We arrest or convict an immigrant for a felony, we contact ICE, ICE picks them up for deportation, the Feds release them back to the community if the immigrant does not voluntarily deport. We ask ICE to check immigration status, crickets.

    We contact ICE to pick up illegals from jail, they don't come or drag their feet. So,l Sheriff Joe had to drive them down to border.

    We are at war on the US Mexican Border, a national geographic special named border wars states that more people are killed on the mexican border because of the drug wars. Is our US military patrolling our border, nope. They want to send national guard soliders. The US GOVERNMENT should have a stronger presence. Our US Senators and Congresspersons from AZ, CA, TX, and NM should be beating the drum.

    If we had politians without bigot ties voting and making these proposals and enforcing them, I would not be "whining."

    The infamous Sheriff Joe has bigotry tendencies.
    Picture This! Sheriff Joe’s Racy(ism) Photo-Op | IMAGINE 2050 and Joe Arpaio's Sheriff's Office Faces Possible Sanctions For Destroying Racial Profiling Records. The bills writer Russel Pearce has bigoted tendencies also

    "In October 2006, Russell Pearce forwarded an email from National Alliance, a White Separatist group, to a group of supporters. The email criticized the media for promoting multiculturalism and racial equality, for depicting "any racially conscious White Person" as a bigot, and for presenting the Holocaust as fact.[6] He quickly apologized. The article reports, "He does not agree with the sentiments in the article, but that the title and the first paragraphs about media bias appealed to him. He said the article had been forwarded to him by someone else and he would not have sent it if he had read it in its entirety."[6] He stated in one of his apologies, "Ugly the words contained in it really are. They are not mine and I disavow them completely. Worse still, the website links to a group whose politics are the ugliest imaginable."[6]
    In April 2008, Pearce sponsored a measure, Senate Bill 1108, that would prohibit students of Arizona universities and community colleges from forming groups based in whole or part on the race of their membership. Pearce said he didn't want students indoctrinated with seditious or anti-American teachings. The bill would ban groups that serve minority interests such as the Mexican American study program and the Black Business Students Association. [7]
    " [ame=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell_Pearce]Russell Pearce - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]
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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    Well, if the Democrats get a pass for the healthcare turd then Az. gets a pass on this IMO. It's a bad law but "something needed to be done", yall remember that right?
    Its appeasement. The only thing new is legal profiling. You pass a new law that is already law. If you believe this will change the climate in Arizona you are right. Just like Virginia with their radical new laws already on the books. (homosexual discrimination) All it will do is put a target on the state and not a Sarah Palin one a Federal government one. They didnt have to make this law all they had to do was pass instruction on to the police chiefs, DA etc. To enforce the law. They just opened up the door to be chastised by government by stating and allowing profiling which is very much counter-productive to their valid point and states rights. This is not a win or a model to follow.

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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Chappy View Post
    Early Arizonan reaction to the bill signing is dismay and vows to take the state to court.
    Hi
    This is Cholla's wife.
    I believe Willcox already lost one battle over immigration with Sheriff Joe.
    You have to live here to get it.
    At my daughters school 60% of the children are on FREE lunches and breakfasts. This is a Federal program, so although you don't live here you get to pay for it. The Hispanic population at the school is very worried as a large percentage are Illegal, our Principal is Hispanic but knows that our school funding has been cut because there is not enough money to educate children whose parents are not contributing to the State.
    One simple example of what illegals cost we the citizens of Arizona.
    My 21 year old neice's car was hit and totaled, the car that hit her raced into a parking lot where 5 Hispanic men got out of the car and took off running. The car had no current registration was not insured, they caught the driver as he was injured, he was transported to the hospital and treated, then arrested as he was in the country illegally. Who paid for the ambulance ? The medical care ? My neices deductable ? Her insurance paid her for her car, how does that work how does the insurance company recoup that loss ? Our insurance rate are out of this world . This type of thing happens every day in Phoenix. We bear the costs, and now we are broke, and our children are at risk of being in classes of 30 to 40 in elementary school, who could teach to that crowd.

    We are so happy this bill was signed

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