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Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

To all legal Arizona hispanic residents: We must fight peacefully this travesty of justice no matter how long it takes. We can do this in a number of ways. First don't answer ANY questions that pertain to your legal status in this country. Don't carry ANY type of documentation with you AT ANY TIME untill this thing is repealed. Third, speak to the officer ONLY in SPANISH. Lets have as many legal citizens arrested under this law as we can. Remember, they won't give you ANY civil rights unless you fight for them, just ask our African-American friends.

So this is good for your country, which I assume is America?
Why is it ok to be in the country illegally?
What would you do to solve the illegal problem in Arizona?
 
Another question is how much safer will Arizonans be with new law being enforced …

“The Arizona immigration law will likely hinder federal law enforcement from carrying out its priorities of detaining and removing dangerous criminal aliens. With the strong support of state and local law enforcement, I vetoed several similar pieces of legislation as Governor of Arizona because they would have diverted critical law enforcement resources from the most serious threats to public safety and undermined the vital trust between local jurisdictions and the communities they serve. I support and am actively working with bipartisan members of Congress to pass comprehensive immigration reform at the federal level because this issue cannot be solved by a patchwork of inconsistent state laws.” — Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano, Gov. Jan Brewer's predecessor as Arizona governor

Yeah... we know where Ms. "I never met a terrorist I didn't like" Napolitano is coming from!
 
Wow! Just, wow! This bill is a colossal error.

So you're against sending illegal immigrants home? Why have a law if you're not going to enforce it?
 
And probable cause is a requirement. Read the law again.



which is exactly what the law says.
As they can check your id in such cases, why do they need a law to check id, in which they already have the legal right to do so?

So in your mind you should never ever have to prove who you are unless you are doing something voluntary.

Exactly how does that make sense?
Or if I am doing something illegal, (that the police have probable cause to believe so, and not just because of my ethnicity)

Otherwise no I should not have to prove who I am. If I dont want to vote, no need for them to know who I am, if am not cashing a cheque, not need to know who I am. If I am just walking down the street or hanging out in a park, asking me anything is fine, forcing me to answer is not
And please cite the law you are quoting that makes this true. Can't wait to see this one :D

As posted by Critical thought earlier

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws
 
LOL... the Euros have been pretty quite in this thread.
Good reason. They can and do racial profile.
They can stop you without any cause and demand your papers.
In your car, on foot, in public transport. Happens ALL DAY, everyday.

Well, if Paco ain't speeky engi too goood man, it's one indication... for a perfessionali trained oefficer ov de lew. Two perhaps:

1. Public skoolz suck big dicks.
2. It's likely he is an illegal. That's a prubbuble cuss.

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No it is not probabe cause if a person is not speaking english.

There is something called free speech in the US. It does sort of protects the right of people to speak in any language they so choose. Heck they could speak Klignon all day long if they so choose. They might not and most likely wont get hired for any job outside of a trekie convention, but that is their right
 
QUOTE]"Heck they could speak Klignon all day long if they so choose. "[[/QUOTE]

That would be an obvious indicator that we just may indeed have an illegal alien;)
 
While reading on this subject, I ran across this article. Just another view of what Arizona Republicans may really be up to. And, interesting enough, Karl Rove's name popped up. Son of a gun. :lol:

Our investigation in Arizona discovered the real intent of the show-me-your-papers law.

Phoenix - Don't be fooled. The way the media plays the story, it was a wave of racist, anti-immigrant hysteria that moved Arizona Republicans to pass a sick little law, signed last week, requiring every person in the state to carry papers proving they are US citizens.

I don't buy it. Anti-Hispanic hysteria has always been as much a part of Arizona as the saguaro cactus and excessive air-conditioning.

What's new here is not the politicians' fear of a xenophobic "Teabag" uprising.

What moved GOP Governor Jan Brewer to sign the Soviet-style show-me-your-papers law is the exploding number of legal Hispanics, US citizens all, who are daring to vote - and daring to vote Democratic by more than two-to-one. Unless this demographic locomotive is halted, Arizona Republicans know their party will soon be electoral toast. Or, if you like, tortillas.
t r u t h o u t | Behind The Arizona Immigration Law: GOP Game to Swipe the November Election

This may have nothing to do with immigration. It may be all about politics after all. Tom DeLay type politics. Interesting.
 
If you are not naturalized you are already required to carry your immigration documents.


Are there actually any legal distinctions between an alien and a immigrant?

Well if all non Naturalized immigrants are required to "carry " immigration documents I guess that I was in violation every single day until I was Naturalized.

" distinctions between an alien and a immigrant" ? Well anyone who comes here is an immigrant and and if he is an permanent resident immigrant the official status is "permenent resident alien". Once an immigrant becomes Naturalized he no longer is an alien but will be an immigrant for life.

Someone who is here temporarily is an alien.

That is my understanding. That is why I can say that I am an immigrant but since I am a citizen I am not an alien.

ps I do not speak Klingon !!
 
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The anti-Indian legislation is a fascist measure. It’s not surprising that it finds its primary support on the white supremacist forum Stormfront, where the rhetoric in favor of it is indistinguishable from that here.

Arizona Bill SB 1070 to Require Local Cops to Enforce Immigration Law - Stormfront

"Racial profiling." Those magic words which work so well within the media and the political system. We also refer to it as the "race card."…As I see it, these are legitimate measures being proposed to deal with a serious problem facing this country, and the usual suspects oppose it by using the "race card." And who gives power to the "race card"? "Anti-racists," of course.

Arizona Bill SB 1070 to Require Local Cops to Enforce Immigration Law - Page 2 - Stormfront

In my opinion illegals have no rights under the US constitution. Just the fact they set foot on American soil makes them at the least trespassers. If not foreign invaders. In my state of Oklahoma any amount of force up to deadly force can be used to remove a trespasser. Which is a right of any Oklahoma citizen. Not just law enforcement. Read the laws I am sure most all states have about the same trespassing laws as Oklahoma.

:rofl
 
The anti-Indian legislation is a fascist measure. It’s not surprising that it finds its primary support on the white supremacist forum Stormfront, where the rhetoric in favor of it is indistinguishable from that here.

Arizona Bill SB 1070 to Require Local Cops to Enforce Immigration Law - Stormfront



Arizona Bill SB 1070 to Require Local Cops to Enforce Immigration Law - Page 2 - Stormfront



:rofl

Ah more race baiting.

La Reconquista is alive and well. :2wave:

[nomedia="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IuNNXcnnD70"]YouTube- Aztlan Reconquista[/nomedia]
 
While reading on this subject, I ran across this article. Just another view of what Arizona Republicans may really be up to. And, interesting enough, Karl Rove's name popped up. Son of a gun. :lol:


t r u t h o u t | Behind The Arizona Immigration Law: GOP Game to Swipe the November Election

This may have nothing to do with immigration. It may be all about politics after all. Tom DeLay type politics. Interesting.

I didn't want to open "your" link (nothing against you just fear if it is safe -linkophobia) can you tell us someting about this "truthout"?

I am approaching this Arizona law with due caution but I was more concerned initially with the application of this law than the intent. Though I can see this as a wedge issue in that most reasonable people are against illegal immigration the atmosphere that this sets in motion is an anti-immigrant attitude in general.
 
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State's new immigration law worries Arizona soldier

State's new immigration law worries Arizona soldier - CNN.com

Phoenix, Arizona (CNN) -- At a vigil protesting the passage of Arizona's tough new illegal immigration law, a young man in Army fatigues and a beret lit a candle at a makeshift shrine.

Pfc. Jose Medina, an Army medic, came to the Arizona capitol while on leave, to express his sadness over the law, signed by Arizona's governor on Friday.
"I'm here because this is something that's close to my heart," said Medina. "I went off to protect this country, to protect my family. That's what hurts."
 
Ah more race baiting.

La Reconquista is alive and well. :2wave:

YouTube- Aztlan Reconquista

Ah, yes! If for no other reason than is illustrated by that YouTube video, these illegal aliens should be turned back before they have the power to turn this country into a banana republic, like that which they came from!
 
State's new immigration law worries Arizona soldier

State's new immigration law worries Arizona soldier - CNN.com


What if !!!

I saw this story earlier today and it made me think about the "what if".
What if some form of "let’s see you papers" bill was introduced on a national basis back in let’s say 1967. What if the ethnic group that I was born into had blue skin making us suspect as immigrant and illegal aliens. What if after I returned from Vietnam and was traveling between Walter Reed and where I was temporarily billeted during medical rehab and this bill was in place. What if I had to fear being stopped on the road and questioned if I was an illegal because I looked as if I was? I am sure that I would have even though I almost left my entire leg in Vietnam and had a piece of shrapnel only an inch between life and death.

What if I was Blue!!!
 
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Your statement was nearly identical to that of the white supremacists on Stormfront. My statements have been strongly opposed to the establishment of Mexican political authority over the U.S. Southwest. But whatever works in your world. :lol: :lol: :lol:

Ah, yes! If for no other reason than is illustrated by that YouTube video, these illegal aliens should be turned back before they have the power to turn this country into a banana republic, like that which they came from!

If you wanted to be a bit more consistent, you'd jog over to the white supremacists on Stormfront whose talking points are so curiously similar to your own, and tell them that the conditions of Mexico and Central America are the consequence of apartheid regimes, the rule over Indian masses by a minority white ruling class. It was those ruling classes that created the "banana republics." Mesoamerican indigenous societies had reached a more progressive stage of urban development than their "conquerors."
 
Your statement was nearly identical to that of the white supremacists on Stormfront. My statements have been strongly opposed to the establishment of Mexican political authority over the U.S. Southwest. But whatever works in your world. :lol: :lol: :lol:

LOL Can't you even quote me right?

Your views are lock step in with La Reconquista. Unlike you I don't put race above the law. That's your position.

Go ahead and deny it. I'll just quote you again :)
 

I looked up your “reconquista” idea. As I’d previously suspected, it’s related to the restoration of administrative control of the Mexican government in the U.S. Southwest.

The Reconquista Movement: Mexico's Plan for the American Southwest - HUMAN EVENTS

At its core, the claim of the Reconquista (“Reconquest”) movement is that the United States stole large sections of the southwestern United States from Mexico in the 1800s. Mexicans and other Hispanics making these claims seek to reconquer this territory by taking the land away from the United States and returning it to Mexico. The goal of the Reconquista is to “reconquer” these “lost” or “stolen” territories for “La Raza”—the race indigenous to Mexico.

I’m actually not sure how you could maintain a view that’s blatantly wrong still. Mexicans aren’t a race or racial group; they are a national group, as are Canadians. They are composed of multiple races. :rofl

You regurgitate your same recycled talking point over and over again despite the fact that it’s been clearly explained to you why Hispanic government is colonial authoritarianism, and Indians are worse off in Mexico than they are in the United States. You wouldn’t happen to be a bot, would you?
 
I didn't want to open "your" link (nothing against you just fear if it is safe -linkophobia) can you tell us someting about this "truthout"?

I understand. Here's what their About Us page says:
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They really look deeper than most other investigative groups. They have a wide range of topics their articles cover. You can sign up for a newsletter that comes daily. I trust it but, you would have to check it out yourself. The site is quite safe.

I am approaching this Arizona law with due caution but I was more concerned initially with the application of this law than the intent. Though I can see this as a wedge issue in that most reasonable people are against illegal immigration the atmosphere that this sets in motion is an anti-immigrant attitude in general.

This is making more sense. They had the ability to check Id under the "probable cause" pretense already. This law allows them to stop people for simple suspicion. The legal Mexican population is growing fast. And most of them vote for Dems. So, it makes sense for the Gov., a Repub, to try some Rovian method to dwindle or discourage them. It's not like this is the first time they've pulled something like this.
 
Maybe we could sell Arizona to Mexico. Not the whole state, just the American owned parts. If not there's always ebay.
 
Not bad at all for a middle of the roader!;)

I mean, I could get all worked up about what happens in other people's states. But the reality is I don't live there and I don't know how it works in Arizona. The best use of state resources is by the state's people. It'd be depressingly idiotic if New York got to manage Arizona, and Arizona New York.
 
....It was those ruling classes that created the "banana republics....

Precisely my point! With enough power, as yielded by the guilt ridden white masses, THEY would turn this country into a Banana Republic. Case in point? Who do you think runs the country of Liberia????
 
Interesting topic of voting since you said that most "Mexican"-Americans voted for Dems I recall that certain Republicans claim that illrgal aliens vote in lage numbers. Anyone aware of factual sources for such stats? I mean something other than the Let's Send Them All BACK To Where They Came From PARTY..
 
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Interesting topic of voting since you said that most "Mexican"-Americans voted for Dems I recall that certain Republicans claim that illrgal aliens vote in lage numbers. Anyone aware of factual sources for such stats? I mean something other than the Nazi Partier Daily Gazzzeten ?

There is this wonderful concept I'd like to tell you about: it is called grammar.
 
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