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Obama suggests value-added tax may be an option

But yes, we Tea Party types are paranoid about Obama raising taxes. :ssst:



A VAT tax is the worst idea in this already overtaxed nation.

I support a VAT 100%...right after federal income taxes, SS, medicare, self employment taxes have been abolished and a flat corporate income tax of 2% has been put in place.

That way everybody has, "skin in the game".
 
He hasn't proposed it

Obama suggests value-added tax may be an option - Yahoo! News

like the way Reagan promised to lower taxes and then raised them

[ame=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_Recovery_Tax_Act_of_1981]Economic Recovery Tax Act of 1981 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]


Presidents don't cram, Congress might

as if the president isn't leader of his party

just who do you think pulled the trigger to go nuke option?

LOL!

dead on the roadside with a conservative knife in it's back

Democratic senator: Public health insurance option dead - CNN.com

you're not interested in any truth

so defensive, so bitter---you sound like obama

LOL!
 
I support a VAT 100%...right after federal income taxes, SS, medicare, self employment taxes have been abolished and a flat corporate income tax of 2% has been put in place.

That way everybody has, "skin in the game".




I could never support a tax on consumption... ;)


Flat 17%.....
 
I could never support a tax on consumption... ;)


Flat 17%.....

That's too damn high, Rev. I pay less than that gaming the system. Before I would support a flat tax, it would have be bekow 7%.
 
Rev; 17% across the board is far to regressive.

apdst; a market orientated economy requires stabilization policies in which to maintain short run feasibility. 7% just does not cut it. Not to mention it does not help to reduce the enormous debt burden.
 
so defensive, so bitter---you sound like obama

LOL!

On the contrary, it is you who posts on the basis of utter bitterness. Everything you utter functions on the basis of "I hate Obama".

And no.... It's not funny or amusing.
 
Rev; 17% across the board is far to regressive.

apdst; a market orientated economy requires stabilization policies in which to maintain short run feasibility. 7% just does not cut it. Not to mention it does not help to reduce the enormous debt burden.

They need to cut back on the bull**** spending. There, problem solved.
 
in the context of TODAY's economic and political landscape, usa, 2010, a vat can only be seen as radical, or extremist

any contemplation of elimination of the current tax structure compensatory with vat is purely academic

ie, completely unreal, merely imaginary, aint never gonna happen

vat is radical, extremist and, given its almost violently REGRESSIVE nature, unamerican

but, of course, obama needs the money

party on, progressives

be proud
 
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yes, never forget that for obama to achieve, make real, what he wants to make happen, he needs money, planetary sized sums of money

instead, all he has are solar system sized debts, liabilities, entitlements, service costs, unfunded mandates, fines, fees, obligations...

what's an ambitious obama to do?
 
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Rev; 17% across the board is far to regressive.

apdst; a market orientated economy requires stabilization policies in which to maintain short run feasibility. 7% just does not cut it. Not to mention it does not help to reduce the enormous debt burden.

what is wrong with a regressive tax? It will spur people to work harder and get out of the swamp of mediocrity
 
Either you are being perfidious or you don't understand the difference between "considering" and "proposing", which is it?



The first part of that path entails raising higher revenues. Everyone remembers Reagan's 1981 tax cuts. His admirers are less likely to tout the tax hikes he accepted as the 1981 recession and his own tax cuts began to unravel his long-term fiscal picture--a large tax increase on business in 1982, higher payroll taxes enacted in 1983 and higher energy taxes in 1984. A decade later, when a serious recession and higher spending began to upend the fiscal outlook again, the first President Bush similarly raised taxes on higher-income people in 1991; Bill Clinton doubled down and raised them again in 1993.

Even Reagan Raised Taxes - Forbes.com

as if the president isn't leader of his party
yup he sure is but I see you realize you got caught with another bargument and decided to avoid.

just who do you think pulled the trigger to go nuke option?
Meaning what exactly?


So what you're saying is that if republicans hadn't said one word about Health care reform, it wouldn't have passed? You can't seriously be that disingenuous...


so defensive, so bitter---you sound like obama

LOL!
Actually I think I've exposed the truth of my comment. :2wave:
 
what is wrong with a regressive tax? It will spur people to work harder and get out of the swamp of mediocrity
Or it will push poverty to new heights in this country, widening the class gap and causing civil revolt.
 
Either you are being perfidious or you don't understand the difference between "considering" and "proposing", which is it?

Perhaps you can explain the difference between "proposing" and "suggesting". Or were you the one being perfidious??


So what you're saying is that if republicans hadn't said one word about Health care reform, it wouldn't have passed? You can't seriously be that disingenuous...

Did the Republicans scare moderate Dems into insisting there be no public option ?? Republicans certainly aren't the ones that made Reid and Pelosi not include it in the bill.

Obama won't propose, suggest, or consider a VAT tax. He will wait for his deficit commission to suggest it. He will then throw up his hands and declare himself defenseless, and then go along with their recommendation for a VAT tax.

Obama likes to keep his hands clean so any future blame can be deflected. It's his way of voting "present" now that he's the president.
 
what is wrong with a regressive tax? It will spur people to work harder and get out of the swamp of mediocrity

Do you have any data/research to support such a notion? Ill give you a little help. Research the affect of extreme wealth inequality and how it effects output. ;)
 
Perhaps you can explain the difference between "proposing" and "suggesting". Or were you the one being perfidious??
Can you tell the difference between:

Suggesting
Proposing
Considering

I never said "suggesting" so I don't know why you would bring that up.

Did the Republicans scare moderate Dems into insisting there be no public option ?? Republicans certainly aren't the ones that made Reid and Pelosi not include it in the bill.
Unfortunately, yes. By scaring the populace who then said "we don't want death panels" and other lies told to scare them.

Obama won't propose, suggest, or consider a VAT tax. He will wait for his deficit commission to suggest it. He will then throw up his hands and declare himself defenseless, and then go along with their recommendation for a VAT tax.
And if you're wrong will you go away and never talk politics to anyone ever again?

Obama likes to keep his hands clean so any future blame can be deflected. It's his way of voting "present" now that he's the president.
Well at least he didn't kill babies like Bush! :2wave:
 
Was this one of those test posts, cuz I didn't see anyone calling anyone a name. Or was it edited out....

:?:

Think he/she was sticking his/her oar in just in case someone was referenced,
some of these mods are sure a mite touchy at times.
 
The proposals for a VAT tax would be a replacement for all or part of income taxes. Not just another tax on top of the current tax code.

This is always how they introduce new taxes, by explaining that they will help do away with old taxes.
Curious thing is, they never get around to withdrawing old taxes.
So yep, you get taxed every which way.
 
Can you tell the difference between:

Suggesting
Proposing
Considering

I never said "suggesting" so I don't know why you would bring that up.

"Suggest" was in the title of the article that was referenced. Or didn't you bother reading it ?

Unfortunately, yes. By scaring the populace who then said "we don't want death panels" and other lies told to scare them.

Ahh, so the Dems were too afraid to vote for the bill after the big bad Republicans scared the people??? Doesn't say much for the Dem's integrity does it?

Well at least he didn't kill babies like Bush! :2wave:

The only reason I can think of for you to make this superfluous remark is that it's the knee jerk reaction of many libs when the inadequacies of Obama are shown.

But I am curious... are you equally outraged by the many Pakistani and Afghan children killed since Obama became President?? Or are they less important than those accidentally killed while Bush was President??
 
"Suggest" was in the title of the article that was referenced. Or didn't you bother reading it ?
*I* didn't write the OP and *I* didn't say "suggesting".
Regardless of the fact that you missed the part where we are talking about what *I* said, please quote Obama "suggesting" or "proposing" a VAT instead of merely "considering" it as an option like all other options.

Ahh, so the Dems were too afraid to vote for the bill after the big bad Republicans scared the people??? Doesn't say much for the Dem's integrity does it?
No it doesn't, you sound as if you think I'm a democrat or an Obama supporter... I'm not a dem and I didn't vote for Obama. :2wave:

The only reason I can think of for you to make this superfluous remark is that it's the knee jerk reaction of many libs when the inadequacies of Obama are shown.
So you didn't get the obvious comparison of, *I'm going to make up something stupid about Bush like you did*? :doh
 
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*I* didn't write the OP and *I* didn't say "suggesting".
Regardless of the fact that you missed the part where we are talking about what *I* said, please quote Obama "suggesting" or "proposing" a VAT instead of merely "considering" it as an option like all other options.

Still having reading issues? Remedial classes might help....

I never said Obama suggested anything, the article that Prof quoted from did. Sounds like you have a problem with Yahoo News, not me or Prof....

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Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
Obama suggests value-added tax may be an option - Yahoo! News
Either you are being perfidious or you don't understand the difference between "considering" and "proposing", which is it?


So you didn't get the obvious comparison of, *I'm going to make up something stupid about Bush like you did*? :doh

Well, I'll admit you have the "stupid" part down to a science.
 
Still having reading issues? Remedial classes might help....

I never said Obama suggested anything, the article that Prof quoted from did. Sounds like you have a problem with Yahoo News, not me or Prof....

Well, I'll admit you have the "stupid" part down to a science.
Can't even admit when you've made a mistake eh? Oh well, I don't usually expect cons to come clean when they get caught. :shrug:
 
Can't even admit when you've made a mistake eh? Oh well, I don't usually expect cons to come clean when they get caught. :shrug:

Ok, I'll humor you... where's a mistake I made.
 
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