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    Re: Obama suggests value-added tax may be an option

    Either you are being perfidious or you don't understand the difference between "considering" and "proposing", which is it?


    The first part of that path entails raising higher revenues. Everyone remembers Reagan's 1981 tax cuts. His admirers are less likely to tout the tax hikes he accepted as the 1981 recession and his own tax cuts began to unravel his long-term fiscal picture--a large tax increase on business in 1982, higher payroll taxes enacted in 1983 and higher energy taxes in 1984. A decade later, when a serious recession and higher spending began to upend the fiscal outlook again, the first President Bush similarly raised taxes on higher-income people in 1991; Bill Clinton doubled down and raised them again in 1993.

    Even Reagan Raised Taxes - Forbes.com

    as if the president isn't leader of his party
    yup he sure is but I see you realize you got caught with another bargument and decided to avoid.

    just who do you think pulled the trigger to go nuke option?
    Meaning what exactly?


    So what you're saying is that if republicans hadn't said one word about Health care reform, it wouldn't have passed? You can't seriously be that disingenuous...


    so defensive, so bitter---you sound like obama

    LOL!
    Actually I think I've exposed the truth of my comment.

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    Re: Obama suggests value-added tax may be an option

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    what is wrong with a regressive tax? It will spur people to work harder and get out of the swamp of mediocrity
    Or it will push poverty to new heights in this country, widening the class gap and causing civil revolt.

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    Re: Obama suggests value-added tax may be an option

    Quote Originally Posted by NoJingoLingo View Post
    Either you are being perfidious or you don't understand the difference between "considering" and "proposing", which is it?
    Perhaps you can explain the difference between "proposing" and "suggesting". Or were you the one being perfidious??


    So what you're saying is that if republicans hadn't said one word about Health care reform, it wouldn't have passed? You can't seriously be that disingenuous...
    Did the Republicans scare moderate Dems into insisting there be no public option ?? Republicans certainly aren't the ones that made Reid and Pelosi not include it in the bill.

    Obama won't propose, suggest, or consider a VAT tax. He will wait for his deficit commission to suggest it. He will then throw up his hands and declare himself defenseless, and then go along with their recommendation for a VAT tax.

    Obama likes to keep his hands clean so any future blame can be deflected. It's his way of voting "present" now that he's the president.

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    Re: Obama suggests value-added tax may be an option

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    what is wrong with a regressive tax? It will spur people to work harder and get out of the swamp of mediocrity
    Do you have any data/research to support such a notion? Ill give you a little help. Research the affect of extreme wealth inequality and how it effects output.
    It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion.
    "Wealth of Nations," Book V, Chapter II, Part II, Article I, pg.911

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    Re: Obama suggests value-added tax may be an option

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    Perhaps you can explain the difference between "proposing" and "suggesting". Or were you the one being perfidious??
    Can you tell the difference between:

    Suggesting
    Proposing
    Considering

    I never said "suggesting" so I don't know why you would bring that up.

    Did the Republicans scare moderate Dems into insisting there be no public option ?? Republicans certainly aren't the ones that made Reid and Pelosi not include it in the bill.
    Unfortunately, yes. By scaring the populace who then said "we don't want death panels" and other lies told to scare them.

    Obama won't propose, suggest, or consider a VAT tax. He will wait for his deficit commission to suggest it. He will then throw up his hands and declare himself defenseless, and then go along with their recommendation for a VAT tax.
    And if you're wrong will you go away and never talk politics to anyone ever again?

    Obama likes to keep his hands clean so any future blame can be deflected. It's his way of voting "present" now that he's the president.
    Well at least he didn't kill babies like Bush!

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    Re: Obama suggests value-added tax may be an option

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Was this one of those test posts, cuz I didn't see anyone calling anyone a name. Or was it edited out....

    Think he/she was sticking his/her oar in just in case someone was referenced,
    some of these mods are sure a mite touchy at times.

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    Re: Obama suggests value-added tax may be an option

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    The proposals for a VAT tax would be a replacement for all or part of income taxes. Not just another tax on top of the current tax code.
    This is always how they introduce new taxes, by explaining that they will help do away with old taxes.
    Curious thing is, they never get around to withdrawing old taxes.
    So yep, you get taxed every which way.

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    Re: Obama suggests value-added tax may be an option

    Quote Originally Posted by NoJingoLingo View Post
    Can you tell the difference between:

    Suggesting
    Proposing
    Considering

    I never said "suggesting" so I don't know why you would bring that up.
    "Suggest" was in the title of the article that was referenced. Or didn't you bother reading it ?

    Unfortunately, yes. By scaring the populace who then said "we don't want death panels" and other lies told to scare them.
    Ahh, so the Dems were too afraid to vote for the bill after the big bad Republicans scared the people??? Doesn't say much for the Dem's integrity does it?

    Well at least he didn't kill babies like Bush!
    The only reason I can think of for you to make this superfluous remark is that it's the knee jerk reaction of many libs when the inadequacies of Obama are shown.

    But I am curious... are you equally outraged by the many Pakistani and Afghan children killed since Obama became President?? Or are they less important than those accidentally killed while Bush was President??

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    Re: Obama suggests value-added tax may be an option

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    "Suggest" was in the title of the article that was referenced. Or didn't you bother reading it ?
    *I* didn't write the OP and *I* didn't say "suggesting".
    Regardless of the fact that you missed the part where we are talking about what *I* said, please quote Obama "suggesting" or "proposing" a VAT instead of merely "considering" it as an option like all other options.

    Ahh, so the Dems were too afraid to vote for the bill after the big bad Republicans scared the people??? Doesn't say much for the Dem's integrity does it?
    No it doesn't, you sound as if you think I'm a democrat or an Obama supporter... I'm not a dem and I didn't vote for Obama.

    The only reason I can think of for you to make this superfluous remark is that it's the knee jerk reaction of many libs when the inadequacies of Obama are shown.
    So you didn't get the obvious comparison of, *I'm going to make up something stupid about Bush like you did*?
    Last edited by NoJingoLingo; 04-27-10 at 12:12 PM.

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    Re: Obama suggests value-added tax may be an option

    Quote Originally Posted by NoJingoLingo View Post
    *I* didn't write the OP and *I* didn't say "suggesting".
    Regardless of the fact that you missed the part where we are talking about what *I* said, please quote Obama "suggesting" or "proposing" a VAT instead of merely "considering" it as an option like all other options.
    Still having reading issues? Remedial classes might help....

    I never said Obama suggested anything, the article that Prof quoted from did. Sounds like you have a problem with Yahoo News, not me or Prof....

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    Obama suggests value-added tax may be an option - Yahoo! News
    Either you are being perfidious or you don't understand the difference between "considering" and "proposing", which is it?

    So you didn't get the obvious comparison of, *I'm going to make up something stupid about Bush like you did*?
    Well, I'll admit you have the "stupid" part down to a science.

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