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FDA plans to limit amount of salt allowed in processed foods for health reasons

rivrrat said:
Yes, she does... and... ?
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That's all that really matters.... Right?

I'm not sure what the point of this post was. :confused:
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Due to the overwhelming level of awareness on the part of the American consumer, obesity has become an epidemic.

Congrats!
 
rivrrat said:
Sooo... limiting the amount of salt a private company can put in products sold to private citizens who are fully aware of the sodium content of said products and who can freely choose to buy said products or not is... a national security issue? :confused:
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Indirectly, it could lead to the security of our nation's health.

""Eating too much salt can lead to hypertension, or high blood pressure, which is a major risk factor for heart disease, kidney failure, and stroke. One in three US adults - nearly 75 million people 20 or older -suffer from hypertension...Lowering daily sodium intake to 1500 milligrams would prevent more than 100, 000 deaths per year and save billions in medical costs." (article from Virginia Pilot newspaper 4/21/10)

As a fiscal conservative when it comes to this matter I am all for it.
 
Goldenboy219 said:
That's all that really matters.... Right?
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Yes. They have the necessary information and make their own choices accordingly.

Due to the overwhelming level of awareness on the part of the American consumer, obesity has become an epidemic.

Congrats!
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Yes, people make decisions all the time that are bad for their health. And?
 
winston53660 said:
Hey you tried to pick on that you thought was low in sodium yesterday, remember the bread where per slice there was 170 mgs of sodium.
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No, I tried hand you a tool to go out and pick something low sodium for yourself. I never made any claim as to what your choice would be. I think you're having the memory lapse here.

I'm sitting here looking at Oroweat (owned by Bimbo Bakeries) double fiber no high fructose corn syrup english muffins. Sounds pretty healthy huh?

Well the sodium content per serving is 320mgs. That certainly is not advertised.
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I don't know how many different ways to tell you: use the ****ing tools available to you to make choices that are good for you.
 
jallman said:
No, I tried hand you a tool to go out and pick something low sodium for yourself. I.
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You tried to use a hammer to screw a screw. IOW you used the wrong tool.
 
winston53660 said:
You tried to use a hammer to screw a screw. IOW you used the wrong tool.
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That's a bald-faced lie. You failed to use the tool or refused to use the tool. And that's why you have heart disease now; not because the bread gave it to you but because you chose not to make good decisions.
 
jallman said:
That's a bald-faced lie. You failed to use the tool or refused to use the tool. And that's why you have heart disease now; not because the bread gave it to you but because you chose not to make good decisions.
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Im not the one lying here. You have no idea about why I have heart disease and how it came about.

Again you used the wrong tool in your example yesterday.
 
winston53660 said:
Im not the one lying here. You have no idea about why I have heart disease and how it came about.

Again you used the wrong tool in your example yesterday.
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No, I did not. That's a bald faced lie. I handed you a web site that gave you ingredients and their amounts. You were able to use it to determine whether a product was good for you or not. You claim it wasn't. Fine...you got the information you needed to make an informed decision. Now you can either use that tool to find a product good for you or you can sit here and whine about how it doesn't do what you want (which is basically everything but wipe your behind for you). We see which you have chosen to do. I can't imagine that this is a new behavior for you so I can make an educated guess as to exactly why you have a health problem now.
 
jallman said:
No, I did not. That's a bald faced lie. I handed you a web site that gave you ingredients and their amounts. You were able to use it to determine whether a product was good for you or not. You claim it wasn't. Fine...you got the information you needed to make an informed decision. Now you can either use that tool to find a product good for you or you can sit here and whine about how it doesn't do what you want (which is basically everything but wipe your behind for you). We see which you have chosen to do. I can't imagine that this is a new behavior for you so I can make an educated guess as to exactly why you have a health problem now.
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I looked up the sodium content since the thread is about sodium. Calm down.
 
This is not to be, at any point, scientific or anything other than anecdotal. But, at the high school I used to go to, we had a long history of the school's Home Economics class prepare lunches for the whole school in a state of the art kitchen. Literally, this kitchen is (was) bigger than most apartments and was filled head-to-toe with stainless steel beauty. Walking into the kitchen made one believe in God, or at least the Food Network having a future. Nothing was more interesting than viewing (safely) your lunch prepared by dutiful students and teachers. It was a dinner'n'show combo in the most unique, fulfilling and delightful sense.

Yet, even with all the glory and splendor of this food preparing bonaza, it had to be closed. It's healthy foodstuff, prepared right in front of us, little waste and a whole lot of love; disappeared. It was shut down. The kitchen is not used anymore and a part of it was replaced with lunch lines. You know what is eaten there now? Overly processed "food" that is only punctuated by some horribly deformed fruit.

Why? Because of the FDA and California state me-too'ers. Recent requirements in CA, covering not only nutritional requirements but also how/who/when has in effect axed the whole program.

The FDA (at my school, at any rate) is only fixing a problem of overly salty foods that in, in effect, created.

It's why I hate the government.
 
rivrrat said:
Sooo... limiting the amount of salt a private company can put in products sold to private citizens who are fully aware of the sodium content of said products and who can freely choose to buy said products or not is... a national security issue? :confused:
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What is a safe average daily intake of sodium for an adult? (without googling it)
 
Manc Skipper said:
What is a safe average daily intake of sodium for an adult? (without googling it)
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1500 - 2000, what winston said.

Though I'm not sure how it's relevant? I'm also not sure how it's relevant if I google it or not. The fact that I CAN google it completely validates what we've been saying regarding the FACT that the information is out there and readily available to anyone, at any time, for any reason.
 
rivrrat said:
Yes. They have the necessary information and make their own choices accordingly.
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Those truly "informed" would not eat the garbage in the first place.

Yes, people make decisions all the time that are bad for their health. And?
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A very small segment of the population make diet decisions on the basis of health. I know this because the country (over 190 million Americans) is primarily over weight or obese.

I wonder how many are on government sponsored health care?
 
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Goldenboy219 said:
Those truly "informed" would not eat the garbage in the first place.
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Yes, we would. People do things all the time with full knowledge of the implications.


A very small segment of the population make diet decisions on the basis of health. I know this because the country (over 190 million Americans) are over weight or obese.
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Indeed. And that is THEIR choice.

I wonder how many are on government sponsored health care?
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I would prefer if no one was, but c'est la vie.
 
rivrrat said:
Yes, we would. People do things all the time with full knowledge of the implications.
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You are saying people (in general) do not care if they are obese or have heart disease? :lol: People are not nearly as informed as you claim; otherwise they would make decisions that more accuratly model the risk reward aspect (unless we are talking about addiction).

Indeed. And that is THEIR choice.
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And yet their choices are impacting others.

I would prefer if no one was, but c'est la vie.
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Having a preference does not negate the reality. If you earn an income, you either pay your taxes or risk a fine/imprisonment.
 
rivrrat said:
1500 - 2000, what winston said.

Though I'm not sure how it's relevant? I'm also not sure how it's relevant if I google it or not. The fact that I CAN google it completely validates what we've been saying regarding the FACT that the information is out there and readily available to anyone, at any time, for any reason.
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Those numbers are really hard to hit even shopping at healthy stores like Whole Foods. I'm looking at my Amy's brand low sodium organic pasta sauce that I paid a premium for and it has 100mgs of salt. That is really not that bad but if you add some cheese and some bread those numbers add up quickly.
 
Goldenboy219 said:
You are saying people (in general) do not care if they are obese or have heart disease? :lol: People are not nearly as informed as you claim; otherwise they would make decisions that more accuratly model the risk reward aspect (unless we are talking about addiction).
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No, in general, they don't care about the risk because the immediate reward is more appealing to them. The long term risk is something they cannot see or feel. The immediate reward they CAN.

Hence why people take up smoking knowing full well the risk. Hence why people will "cheat" on their 'diets'. I know goddamn good and well that a big mac isn't healthy for me. Yet, I want one on occasion and I will have one on occasion. In my younger days, I had them more than on occasion. And pizza. And drugs. And tons of alcohol. And all sorts of other fast foods or unhealthy foods.

And yet their choices are impacting others.
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Who is impacted by my choice to have a big mac or not?


Having a preference does not negate the reality. If you earn an income, you either pay your taxes or risk a fine/imprisonment.
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I have no clue what you're getting at.
 
winston53660 said:
Those numbers are really hard to hit even shopping at healthy stores like Whole Foods. I'm looking at my Amy's brand low sodium organic pasta sauce that I paid a premium for and it has 100mgs of salt. That is really not that bad but if you add some cheese and some bread those numbers add up quickly.
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Yet another reason not to eat processed foods.

I have no doubts whatsoever that severely restricted diets are difficult to maintain. But what's that got to do with the government mandating the nutritional content of private companies' products? The fact that you CAN easily find out how much sodium is in everything you pick up, and you have the freedom to choose, completely negates any necessity for the government to step in any further.
 
rivrrat said:
Yet another reason not to eat processed foods.

I have no doubts whatsoever that severely restricted diets are difficult to maintain. But what's that got to do with the government mandating the nutritional content of private companies' products? The fact that you CAN easily find out how much sodium is in everything you pick up, and you have the freedom to choose, completely negates any necessity for the government to step in any further.
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Wait, in one space you say diffulcult in another you say easily? What gives? And it is not that easy to get around processed foods unless one dedicates their entire life every waking minute to that.
 
winston53660 said:
Wait, in one space you say diffulcult in another you say easily? What gives?
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Talking about two different things. Did you read the actual sentences?

And it is not that easy to get around processed foods unless one dedicates their entire life every waking minute to that.
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I don't dedicate my every waking minute to that. Far from it.
 
winston53660 said:
I looked up the sodium content since the thread is about sodium. Calm down.
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Exactly. That was the whole point of me handing you a site that gives you information like that. So that you could look up that information for yourself.
 
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