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FDA plans to limit amount of salt allowed in processed foods for health reasons

talk about another appeal to the absurd.:doh watch out where you step jallman, people are dying in the streets, from salt consumption and it is all the evil corporations fault. Jesus.....................:2razz:

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Talk about another appeal to the absurd.:doh Watch out where you step Jallman, people are dying in the streets, from salt consumption and it is all the evil corporations fault. Jesus.....................:2razz:
That wasn't the context but I wouldn't expect you to care about using things in context. When it's obvious that people are not being personally responsible and that lack of personal responsibility then affects society as a whole, what should we do?

Sheesh are we really going on and on about sodium level in food? :doh
 
That wasn't the context but I wouldn't expect you to care about using things in context. When it's obvious that people are not being personally responsible and that lack of personal responsibility then affects society as a whole, what should we do?

Sheesh are we really going on and on about sodium level in food? :doh

The "so called" conservative approach would be social Darwinism. ;)
 
That wasn't the context but I wouldn't expect you to care about using things in context. When it's obvious that people are not being personally responsible and that lack of personal responsibility then affects society as a whole, what should we do?

Sheesh are we really going on and on about sodium level in food? :doh
There really exist no context in which a rational person would try to postulate that people are dying in the streets for any reason. Feel free to spin your obvious appeal to the absurd as much as you want. That will make it all better, more spin spin for big nanny government regulating personal salt intake, ya know because people can't take responsibility and they are, ya know, dying in the streets and put lead back in paint. Absurd Baby Jesus..........if your point requires you to enter into such flights of absurd fancy, maybe you should have a look at your so called point.:doh
 
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Not having read much except the first 5 pages of this thread, my understanding of the role salt takes in food is as follows:

Salt is necessary.
Too much salt is bad.
Too little salt is bad.

The correct middle ground between the two most likely is different for each person.

As a personal ancdote, I have tried both too salty and no salt foods.

As it happens, I personally am of the opinion that too much salt ruins food, but too little (or none - have you tried no-salt potato chips? - Mmmmm!) is perfectly fine for a change of pace.
Of course, I'm probably not counting the naturally occuring salt/sodium levels in various components of said food...
 
Because when personal responsibility fails, what should we do? Let people die in the streets or raise taxes to pay for their medical care?

Let them die at the rate they are already dying and move on. I don't see people dying in the streets now without tax hikes and I'm pretty sure the sodium thing is more than a decade old so...what do you expect me to say?

Why does it always come down to a armageddon scenario with you people?
 
Why does it always come down to a armageddon scenario with you people?

The same can be said to you.

Why is it when salt is limited in processed foods, a whole slew of folks react as if the gub'ment has just taken their birth day away?
 
The same can be said to you.

Why is it when salt is limited in processed foods, a whole slew of folks react as if the gub'ment has just taken their birth day away?

Hardly. I argue against further government intrusion when it is unnecessary. I have also shown where this is will have no benefit. Don't sit there and lump me in as if I am some anti-gub'ment tea partier because I am not. Your hyperbole is unwarranted.
 
There really exist no context in which a rational person would try to postulate that people are dying in the streets for any reason. Feel free to spin your obvious appeal to the absurd as much as you want. That will make it all better, more spin spin for big nanny government regulating personal salt intake, ya know because people can't take responsibility and they are, ya know, dying in the streets and put lead back in paint. Absurd Baby Jesus..........if your point requires you to enter into such flights of absurd fancy, maybe you should have a look at your so called point.:doh

If I said that, "I never saw a chinaman with cancer" it would be similar to your post.

Your post: "There really exist no context in which a rational person would try to postulate that people are dying in the streets for any reason. Feel free to spin your obvious...."

Comprende?
 
If I said that, "I never saw a chinaman with cancer" it would be similar to your post.

Your post: "There really exist no context in which a rational person would try to postulate that people are dying in the streets for any reason. Feel free to spin your obvious...."

Comprende?
Perhaps you should essay to address the ridiculous appeal to the absurd that the comment was, rather than stuffing that lame strawman. Comprende mucho?
 
The same can be said to you.

Why is it when salt is limited in processed foods, a whole slew of folks react as if the gub'ment has just taken their birth day away?

You ask a fair question and without any hyper-accusations so that is good.
There are things and times when we do not need the 'Gub'ment to tell us what, when, or how to live. We became grandparents for the first time and since the daughter who produced this little wonder is a bit over thirty we have been amazed at the new regulations and banned and not approved by the Gub'ment items that there are. Our daughter is in hyper-space checking out and disaproving everything we get for our grand daughter because some one in the CIA, BBA, or Jose at the FDA or Pope Arnold has not blessed it.


After about the six-twelth thing that my daughter said we bought wrong we asked the newlly minted little MOMMY how did we manage to raise our kids without all that help from the Gub'ment and her pack of NEW MOMMY INTERNET FRIENDS who help her aprove things ???
 
Perhaps you should essay to address the ridiculous appeal to the absurd that the comment was, rather than stuffing that lame strawman. Comprende mucho?

What? Am I supposed to be a mind reader to understand your posts. There are some sarcastic smilies, you know what I am saying?:sarcasticclap:bootyshake:rolleyes::spin:
 
What? Am I supposed to be a mind reader to understand your posts. There are some sarcastic smilies, you know what I am saying?:sarcasticclap:bootyshake:rolleyes::spin:
I don't see how claiming poor comprehension or some kind of attention deficit on your part helps, but by all means stuff your strawman to your hearts content.:mrgreen:
 
Hardly. I argue against further government intrusion when it is unnecessary. I have also shown where this is will have no benefit.

The FDA already intrudes on a regular basis. And yes, i do agree that reducing salt in processed foods will accomplish little as people will begin to compliment the "new line" with some high tech **** known as a salt shaker. Yet it will accomplish something (no matter how minuscule). People who want more salt on their hungry man will have to manually add it themselves.

Are you ready to argue that such "intimate" contact does not have some impact on peoples sodium awareness?

Don't sit there and lump me in as if I am some anti-gub'ment tea partier because I am not. Your hyperbole is unwarranted.

For someone who does not even eat such foods, you seem rather up in arms against sodium limitation.
 
The FDA already intrudes on a regular basis. And yes, i do agree that reducing salt in processed foods will accomplish little as people will begin to compliment the "new line" with some high tech **** known as a salt shaker. Yet it will accomplish something (no matter how minuscule). People who want more salt on their hungry man will have to manually add it themselves.

Oh it will accomplish a few things. Like...another regulatory commission to decide exactly how much to limit salt. Another inspection item which will involve a new set of tests. Some paper work to be pushed through offices. Batches of food being tossed because they are a hundredth of a measurement off but just enough to be against regulation. And all that will accomplish an increase in government spending. I'm not ok with that.

Are you ready to argue that such "intimate" contact does not have some impact on peoples sodium awareness?

So do what liberals love to do: start an awareness campaign and hell, name a month Sodium Awareness month. Pick a color ribbon for everyone to wear as a pin and move on. But for pete's sake, don't start another government program that isn't going to have an effect. :shrug:

For someone who does not even eat such foods, you seem rather up in arms against sodium limitation.

And for a "budtender" you seem rather literate and capable of having a discussion about the topic and not your opponent.

See how that works?
 
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Oh it will accomplish a few things. Like...another regulatory commission to decide exactly how much to limit salt. Another inspection item which will involve a new set of tests. Some paper work to be pushed through offices. Batches of food being tossed because they are a hundredth of a measurement off but just enough to be against regulation. And all that will accomplish an increase in government spending. I'm not ok with that.

In some cases, business self regulates. I remember when KFC finally caved and dramatically reduced their trans fat content before there was serious regulation put in place. But..... This is not the norm.

Ottawa, Ontario, Canada (AHN) - Health Minister Leona Aglukkaq admitted that the government’s voluntary approach to reduce trans fat content of food companies and dining establishment has not been successful.

The failure would make it necessary for Health Canada to issue strict regulations that would limit the use of ingredients that have the potential to clog arteries.

Aglukkaq said based on results of the two-year voluntary program, the trans fat content of many processed food and restaurant meals are still high on trans fat contents.

High on the list are bakery products, doughnuts, cookies and deserts, the health minister said.

The ministry set June 2007 targets to reduce the trans fat contents to two percent of vegetable oils and spreadable margarine and five percent for all other foods.

Based on Health Canada’s monitoring, only 25 percent of croissants, 36 percent of doughnuts, 36 percent of pies and 45 percent of brownies meet the government-set trans fat reduction targets. However, 58 percent of popcorn and 65 percent of packaged cookies meet the five percent limit, while 59 percent of chicken products and 78 percent of French fries in fast food outlets and family restaurants follow the trans fat targets.

[url=http://www.allheadlinenews.com/articles/7018487648]Canada's Voluntary Trans Fat Reduction Efforts Fail | AHN[/URL]

So do what liberals love to do: start an awareness campaign and hell, name a month Sodium Awareness month. Pick a color ribbon for everyone to wear as a pin and move on. But for pete's sake, don't start another government program that isn't going to have an effect. :shrug:

This food is target towards lower income households that have limited knowledge in cooking. Awareness is not the issue. A simple tax can reduce consumption into an appropriate bound. The proceeds from such taxes can go to fund awareness campaigns. Make no mistake, i do not support such measures. I just don't care enough about the processed food industry enough to garner my support.

And for a "budtender" you seem rather literate and capable of having a discussion about the topic and not your opponent.

It is an anomaly. :2razz:

See how that works?

In the fight against government intrusion, there are far more pressing issues. Have you heard about "reasonable suspicion"?
 
In the fight against government intrusion, there are far more pressing issues. Have you heard about "reasonable suspicion"?

Well you aren't going to see me out there picketing it if sodium regulation does happen but since we're, you know, sharing our opinions in a thread about it...;)
 
You ask a fair question and without any hyper-accusations so that is good.
There are things and times when we do not need the 'Gub'ment to tell us what, when, or how to live. We became grandparents for the first time and since the daughter who produced this little wonder is a bit over thirty we have been amazed at the new regulations and banned and not approved by the Gub'ment items that there are. Our daughter is in hyper-space checking out and disaproving everything we get for our grand daughter because some one in the CIA, BBA, or Jose at the FDA or Pope Arnold has not blessed it.


After about the six-twelth thing that my daughter said we bought wrong we asked the newlly minted little MOMMY how did we manage to raise our kids without all that help from the Gub'ment and her pack of NEW MOMMY INTERNET FRIENDS who help her aprove things ???

And therefore, since everything in your world is peachy it must be exactly the same for everyone else. There's a thing called "empathy", try it some time.
 
And therefore, since everything in your world is peachy it must be exactly the same for everyone else. There's a thing called "empathy", try it some time.

There's a difference between empathy and hysterics. Empathy is basically your hysterics dialed down about 6 notches.
 
There's a difference between empathy and hysterics. Empathy is basically your hysterics dialed down about 6 notches.
Deal with the obtuse nature of cons long enough and one must sometimes resort to hyperbole to get a point across. :rofl
 
I love almond milk. If I have a choice between it and regular milk, I will choose the almond milk.

If I do drink regular milk, it's got to be whole milk from glass bottle, ice cold and the cream scooped off the top before I pour it. And I usually use the cream in place of butter on a slice of toast.

Okay, tried the almond milk. Mmmmmm!!!!! SO much better than regular milk!
 
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