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    Re: FDA plans to limit amount of salt allowed in processed foods for health reasons

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    Really? And what happens when that doesn't work???
    Off to the gulag?

    Government only makes matters worse... for example, their food chart is designed to create fat people. It is designed to pump sugar into our system in rather large quantities.

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    Really how so?

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    Re: FDA plans to limit amount of salt allowed in processed foods for health reasons

    Quote Originally Posted by Orion View Post
    Cheap goods have a relatively inelastic demand curve because the poor would keep buying them regardless of what's in them. Even if the price burden is increased marginally because of taxation, they will still be cheaper compared to other more expensive/healthier foods.
    Not if it is taxed appropriately. Secondly, food demand as a whole is quite inelastic. The price of a good does not impact elasticity. Lack of a substitutes and/or superiority are the primary determinants of a single good. Now if you were to compare goods, the cost price elasticity confirms my previous statement. An increase cost in one good increases the demand in another (in regards to food).

    The root of the problem is that it's industrial food that is highly profitable. I think fines would be more effective.
    Fines would be passed down to the consumer as well. The only difference is the lack of enforcement on behalf of government.
    It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion.
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    Re: FDA plans to limit amount of salt allowed in processed foods for health reasons

    Quote Originally Posted by Kelzie View Post
    Calm down, you can still have as much salt as you want. And the food manufacturers support this completely, sooo...

    Since moon wasn't biting on my previous offer, I'll make you another one. Howabout we get rid of subsidies on corn, wheat, and soy and drive up the costs of junk food exponentially? And in return, you can keep your salt.
    Listen... and listen good dear.
    NO CALMING DOWN.

    This is another attack on our lives and freedoms.
    It has real implications for food manufacturers.
    It is yet another intrusion where government has no role.
    Perhaps you like it when government controls you.
    You seem like a good tron, as in Obamatron.

    I prefer freedom. A strong government where it should be strong, and feeble where it should be feeble.

    In this case, as with scores of others... it should be feeble.
    Non existent.

    You libs liked the... Keep your Rosaries out of our ovaries... so we abort a million kids a year... but...

    HEY YOU! ASSHOLE!!!!
    THE GOVERNMENT IS HERE TO TELL YOU HOW MUCH SALT YOU CAN PUT IN YOUR FOOD!!!!
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    Re: FDA plans to limit amount of salt allowed in processed foods for health reasons

    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboy219 View Post
    Not if it is taxed appropriately. Secondly, food demand as a whole is quite inelastic. The price of a good does not impact elasticity. Lack of a substitutes and/or superiority are the primary determinants of a single good. Now if you were to compare goods, the cost price elasticity confirms my previous statement. An increase cost in one good increases the demand in another (in regards to food).
    You're right, but people with a higher income have a more diverse range of food choices and more time to prepare healthy food. Those in the lower class who eat cheap food that is unhealthy will largely keep eating it, regardless.

    Taxation is not going to fix it. The behavior needs to be changed and the only way that can happen quickly is with stiff penalties.

    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboy219 View Post
    Fines would be passed down to the consumer as well. The only difference is the lack of enforcement on behalf of government.
    Corporations see finances in terms of quarterly ranges only. Hefty fines have a deeper impact on the short term than taxation.

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    Re: FDA plans to limit amount of salt allowed in processed foods for health reasons

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    Listen... and listen good dear.
    NO CALMING DOWN.

    This is another attack on our lives and freedoms.
    It has real implications for food manufacturers.
    It is yet another intrusion where government has no role.
    Perhaps you like it when government controls you.
    You seem like a good tron, as in Obamatron.

    I prefer freedom. A strong government where it should be strong, and feeble where it should be feeble.

    In this case, as with scores of others... it should be feeble.
    Non existent.

    You libs liked the Keep your Rosaries out of our ovaries...

    We can abort a million kids a year... but...

    HEY YOU! ASSHOLE!!!!
    THE GOVERNMENT IS HERE TO TELL YOU HOW MUCH SALT YOU CAN PUT IN YOUR FOOD!!!!

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    I'm not sure you've read my post yet. The government is not telling you as an individual how much salt you can consume. The government is telling businesses how much of a chemical they can put in, like they do for many other chemicals. You can always add more.
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    Re: FDA plans to limit amount of salt allowed in processed foods for health reasons

    Quote Originally Posted by Orion View Post
    You're right, but people with a higher income have a more diverse range of food choices and more time to prepare healthy food. Those in the lower class who eat cheap food that is unhealthy will largely keep eating it, regardless.

    Taxation is not going to fix it. The behavior needs to be changed and the only way that can happen quickly is with stiff penalties.

    Corporations see finances in terms of quarterly ranges only. Hefty fines have a deeper impact on the short term than taxation.
    I bet if doritos were $15/bag they'd find their way to the produce pretty quickly.
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    Re: FDA plans to limit amount of salt allowed in processed foods for health reasons

    I prefer freedom. A strong government
    History has shown ad nauseum that these are contradictions of terms.

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    Re: FDA plans to limit amount of salt allowed in processed foods for health reasons

    Quote Originally Posted by Orion View Post
    You're right, but people with a higher income have a more diverse range of food choices and more time to prepare healthy food. Those in the lower class who eat cheap food that is unhealthy will largely keep eating it, regardless.

    Taxation is not going to fix it. The behavior needs to be changed and the only way that can happen quickly is with stiff penalties.



    Corporations see finances in terms of quarterly ranges only. Hefty fines have a deeper impact on the short term than taxation.
    Proof?

    First... the wealthy tend to be busier... you know... ask a busy person to get something done. The poor... tend to have more time.

    Vegetables aren't expensive, and it doesn't take a chef to cook decent food.

    Poor may eat more fast food... could it be because they're lazy?

    Taxation is not going to fix it. The behavior needs to be changed and the only way that can happen quickly is with stiff penalties.
    Priceless.
    Taxes... stiff penalties.
    ROTFLOL... spoken like a true left winger of the Trudeau Clan.

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    Re: FDA plans to limit amount of salt allowed in processed foods for health reasons

    Quote Originally Posted by Orion View Post
    You're right, but people with a higher income have a more diverse range of food choices and more time to prepare healthy food. Those in the lower class who eat cheap food that is unhealthy will largely keep eating it, regardless.
    The point is; previously more expensive goods are priced similar to processed foods. The substitution effect greatly reduces inelasticity.

    Taxation is not going to fix it. The behavior needs to be changed and the only way that can happen quickly is with stiff penalties.
    It has seen recent success in the Tobacco market; one which is very much so inelastic. Fines are far too arbitrary for my taste.

    Corporations see finances in terms of quarterly ranges only. Hefty fines have a deeper impact on the short term than taxation.
    And there's the catch. This is not about punishment, more or less internalizing an externality.
    It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion.
    "Wealth of Nations," Book V, Chapter II, Part II, Article I, pg.911

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    Re: FDA plans to limit amount of salt allowed in processed foods for health reasons

    Quote Originally Posted by Kelzie View Post
    I bet if doritos were $15/bag they'd find their way to the produce pretty quickly.
    It wouldn't have to get to that point. All the companies would have to do is add less salt to the doritos. That would actually reduce their input costs and would prevent them from being fined in the first place.

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