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    Re: FDA plans to limit amount of salt allowed in processed foods for health reasons

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    You miss the entire point, and that makes some of us go far beyond prickly.

    WE ARE IN DANGER... we are losing our freedoms... liberty... government is coming in everywhere like toxic mold on a mission.

    If you want someone to control your life because you or others are too feeble to control your own behavior... then you and your drones call me... I'll run your life for ya. See how you like that.

    Jeezuz... what a bunch of losers... really. Looking to Mommy Dearest DC for every damn solution to their lives.

    Sad and irritating.

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    I think it's interesting when someone responds to one of posts from pages ago. Either I'm very provocative or I'm very annoying.

    No one is forbidding you from adding salt. If you want to sprinkle your cheetoes with salt and then dip them in butter, more power to you.

    It's no skin off my back either way, I don't eat processed foods. I got the message that excess sodium is bad for you. I'm mostly concerned about the large majority of overweight Americans who are evidently incapable of getting the message.
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    Re: FDA plans to limit amount of salt allowed in processed foods for health reasons

    Quote Originally Posted by Orion View Post
    No... taxation would simply transfer the burden to the consumer, and the corporate behavior would not change. The companies should receive fines instead.
    That's the point. By increasing the cost of the good, the quantity demand would decrease as would consumption by default. With the tax proceeds you have a means to sponsor education (so people can be informed).
    It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion.
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    Re: FDA plans to limit amount of salt allowed in processed foods for health reasons

    Quote Originally Posted by Orion View Post
    No... taxation would simply transfer the burden to the consumer, and the corporate behavior would not change. The companies should receive fines instead.
    So? Heaven forbid people buy fruit instead of hohos.

    Better yet, just remove the subsidies. We wouldn't have 16 different forms of corn in so many foods if it was the full price.
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    Re: FDA plans to limit amount of salt allowed in processed foods for health reasons

    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboy219 View Post
    That's the point. By increasing the cost of the good, the quantity demand would decrease as would consumption by default. With the tax proceeds you have a means to sponsor education (so people can be informed).
    Cheap goods have a relatively inelastic demand curve because the poor would keep buying them regardless of what's in them. Even if the price burden is increased marginally because of taxation, they will still be cheaper compared to other more expensive/healthier foods.

    The root of the problem is that it's industrial food that is highly profitable. I think fines would be more effective.

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    Re: FDA plans to limit amount of salt allowed in processed foods for health reasons

    Quote Originally Posted by Orion View Post
    Bad food is cheaper and so the lower classes will tend to eat it more. That's a socioeconomic issue.
    I want to address this in particular because I think we would end up in a circular argument about the rest of it.

    But on this: it is almost always used as an excuse that "bad food is cheaper". I don't agree. For the price of two big macs, you can buy a bushel of corn from the farmer's market. Every Friday, for about $20.00, I come home with a bag of tomatoes, 4 cucumbers, 3 pounds of potatoes, a few bunches of baby bok choy, a head of cabbage, and a carton of strawberries. It doesn't get any cheaper, or healthier, than that.

    People make bad decisions. It's not about some institutionalized corporate desire to give everyone ass cancer with salt or whatever this thread is supposed to be about. It's really about the bad decisions people make and how some people want the government to take away people's rights to make decisions at all.

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    Re: FDA plans to limit amount of salt allowed in processed foods for health reasons

    Quote Originally Posted by Kelzie View Post
    I think it's interesting when someone responds to one of posts from pages ago. Either I'm very provocative or I'm very annoying.

    No one is forbidding you from adding salt. If you want to sprinkle your cheetoes with salt and then dip them in butter, more power to you.

    It's no skin off my back either way, I don't eat processed foods. I got the message that excess sodium is bad for you. I'm mostly concerned about the large majority of overweight Americans who are evidently incapable of getting the message.
    The mentality is annoying as hell. That's what pisses me off to no end. Drones.

    It's the same lame brain mentality that defends the government writing laws for the loudness of commercials because the jerk stains are too lazy to click the sound down from the remote.

    It is skin off my back and the backs of food manufacturers... and wait..this is only the start.

    The large faction of American Fatties choose to be that way. It is their CHOICE to ram food down their gullets in large quantities and sit on their duffs. If that's what makes their boat float... fine... don't make me pay for the healthcare, and leave us the **** alone. We're tired of government's incessant intrusions.

    Government can **** Off and go away... leave us alone. We are supposed to be The Land of the Free and Home of the Brave... not the land of the controlled and home of the controlled idiots.

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    Re: FDA plans to limit amount of salt allowed in processed foods for health reasons

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    It's just people doing what they want to do. People take risks every day of their lives. Taking a risk doesn't mean that one isn't informed.

    I am not powerless. I vote, I write congressmen, I keep informed. It may exist now, but my hope is that it will not always be so.
    We would not have an obesity epidemic if people were informed. The majority of Americans are not ignorant. Unless of course, Americans have a food addiction

    Also: As long as the elderly vote in mass number, government health care will always be here. I don't see that changing in my lifetime, do you?
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    Re: FDA plans to limit amount of salt allowed in processed foods for health reasons

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    But on this: it is almost always used as an excuse that "bad food is cheaper". I don't agree. For the price of two big macs, you can buy a bushel of corn from the farmer's market. Every Friday, for about $20.00, I come home with a bag of tomatoes, 4 cucumbers, 3 pounds of potatoes, a few bunches of baby bok choy, a head of cabbage, and a carton of strawberries. It doesn't get any cheaper, or healthier, than that.
    It's not just about the food items but the opportunity cost of making the food. Cooking takes time and people in lower socioeconomic levels usually can't make it happen. Fast food is just that: fast. The industrial food system is partly designed to decrease the amount of time required to stay at home so that the labor force is more mobile.

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    People make bad decisions. It's not about some institutionalized corporate desire to give everyone ass cancer with salt or whatever this thread is supposed to be about. It's really about the bad decisions people make and how some people want the government to take away people's rights to make decisions at all.
    Like I said, it should be a multi-pronged approach: teaching people about their consumer choices while cracking down on deliberate poisoning of food with agents that we know are harmful.

    I don't think corporations are out to create cancerous situations. They are about maximizing profit and so we have to examine them based on that behavior. It's the regulatory agencies that need to tell them what's not acceptable, and it's up to the consumer to try and stay up to speed on healthy choices.

    Also, the FDA doesn't do its job well enough. It is reviewing less products per year now than it did a decade ago, and a lot of things are getting fast tracked. It's getting sloppy which is why more people are getting sick.

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    Re: FDA plans to limit amount of salt allowed in processed foods for health reasons

    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboy219 View Post
    We would not have an obesity epidemic if people were informed. The majority of Americans are not ignorant. Unless of course, Americans have a food addiction

    Also: As long as the elderly vote in mass number, government health care will always be here. I don't see that changing in my lifetime, do you?
    Really? And what happens when that doesn't work???
    Off to the gulag?

    Frankly, now that government is the healthcare delivery monster, I hope the number of fat people triples... and with that weight... the system implodes. Euros aren't as fat, but they are corrupt... combine their corruption with mass obesity and we could cripple socialist medicine in half the time the Euros and Kanuckistani's took.

    Government only makes matters worse... for example, their food chart is designed to create fat people. It is designed to pump sugar into our system in rather large quantities.

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    Re: FDA plans to limit amount of salt allowed in processed foods for health reasons

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    The mentality is annoying as hell. That's what pisses me off to no end. Drones.

    It's the same lame brain mentality that defends the government writing laws for the loudness of commercials because the jerk stains are too lazy to click the sound down from the remote.

    It is skin off my back and the backs of food manufacturers... and wait..this is only the start.

    The large faction of American Fatties choose to be that way. It is their CHOICE to ram food down their gullets in large quantities and sit on their duffs. If that's what makes their boat float... fine... don't make me pay for the healthcare, and leave us the **** alone. We're tired of government's incessant intrusions.

    Government can **** Off and go away... leave us alone. We are supposed to be The Land of the Free and Home of the Brave... not the land of the controlled and home of the controlled idiots.

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    Calm down, you can still have as much salt as you want. And the food manufacturers support this completely, sooo...

    Since moon wasn't biting on my previous offer, I'll make you another one. Howabout we get rid of subsidies on corn, wheat, and soy and drive up the costs of junk food exponentially? And in return, you can keep your salt.
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