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    Re: Iranian Missile May Be Able to Hit U.S. by 2015

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    yep, and i hope you appreciate that such a war is very likely to disrupt the world's economy due to the resulting uncertainty about the availability of oil
    is keeping nuclear weapons out of iranian hands worth it?
    Far less so than a nuclear exchange between Iran and Israel.

    That something necessary may be hard and costly in no way makes it less necessary.

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    Re: Iranian Missile May Be Able to Hit U.S. by 2015

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    yep, and i hope you appreciate that such a war is very likely to disrupt the world's economy due to the resulting uncertainty about the availability of oil
    is keeping nuclear weapons out of iranian hands worth it?
    How would turning Iran into a 18th century country affect the availability of oil?

    Or are you arguing that Iran would actually last more than 2 hrs. in an all out US air and Naval assault?
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    Re: Iranian Missile May Be Able to Hit U.S. by 2015

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Far less so than a nuclear exchange between Iran and Israel.

    That something necessary may be hard and costly in no way makes it less necessary.
    you seem to believe such a nuclear exchange is probable
    in my view that is very unlikely


    what i do anticipate will soon be visited upon us (the world, not necessarily the USA) is the use of biological weapons by the terrorists
    they can both obtain and disseminate those highly toxic agents of warfare much easier than anything nuclear
    as a result, that would be my focus in planning for a deterrent

    truly hope we are both wrong
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    Re: Iranian Missile May Be Able to Hit U.S. by 2015

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    You seem to believe such a nuclear exchange is probable.
    In my view that is very unlikely
    It's FAR more likely than it is if Iran does not get a nuke.

    Truly hope we are both wrong
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    Re: Iranian Missile May Be Able to Hit U.S. by 2015

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    You do know that "going to war with Iran" isn't all necessarily the same as "invading and occuyping Iran", right?
    Yes, they are not necessarily the same... except short of using Iraq as a staging area, could you elaborate as to what a war with Iran would be engaged WITHOUT putting boots on the ground?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Far less so than a nuclear exchange between Iran and Israel.
    Elaborate please.

    That something necessary may be hard and costly in no way makes it less necessary.
    Ok, let's just say that Iran has nukes... what would be the motivation for Iran to commit suicide by attempting to nuke israel??

    Quote Originally Posted by Crunch View Post
    How would turning Iran into a 18th century country affect the availability of oil?
    Ummm... Iran is #3 oil producer in the world by volume...

    Or are you arguing that Iran would actually last more than 2 hrs. in an all out US air and Naval assault?
    Unless it's a 2hr nuclear assault.... yes. If you don't remember, the same type of chest pumping was done before going to war with Iraq... the people were supposed to greet the soldiers with open arms and praise... yet, we're still seeing casualties years later.

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    Re: Iranian Missile May Be Able to Hit U.S. by 2015

    Quote Originally Posted by BmanMcfly View Post
    Yes, they are not necessarily the same... except short of using Iraq as a staging area, could you elaborate as to what a war with Iran would be engaged WITHOUT putting boots on the ground?
    Air and missile strikes on relevant infrastructure. Some degree of land effort -will- be necessary, such as raids on places that air assets cannot reach as well as forward observers to guide munitions ad evaluate effect. Limited-scale ground actions might also be necessary, but certainly not a general invasion and occupation.

    The intent is, after all, to remove their ability to develop nuclear weapons, not overthrow the government.

    Elaborate please.
    On how a general nuclear exchange between Iran and Israel would have a greater negative effect on the world economy than a conventional strike on Iran to remove the possibility of developing a nuclear weapon?
    You need that explained?

    Ok, let's just say that Iran has nukes... what would be the motivation for Iran to commit suicide by attempting to nuke israel??
    Iran's position on Israel is well known - they want Israel destroyed.
    Israel is a one- or two- nuke country, where just 1-2 weapons will destroy her. Up until the time that Iran could use a nuke, Iran could not damage Israel enough to destroy her, putting the cost/benefit ration on Israel's side; with the ability to destory Israel with 1-2 weapons, this ratio changes.

    And so, if that ratio changes enough, the destruction of Israel may very well be 'worth it' to those that make those decisions.
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    Re: Iranian Missile May Be Able to Hit U.S. by 2015

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Isreal is a one- or two- nuke country, where just 1-2 weapons will destroy her.
    If you really believe that after all this time Isreal just has 1 or 2 nukes, I have some land in Iraq to sell you real cheap.

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    Re: Iranian Missile May Be Able to Hit U.S. by 2015

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    If you really believe that after all this time Isreal just has 1 or 2 nukes, I have some land in Iraq to sell you real cheap.
    Pay more attention:

    Israel is a one- or two- nuke country, where just 1-2 weapons will destroy her.

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    Re: Iranian Missile May Be Able to Hit U.S. by 2015

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    If you really believe that after all this time Isreal just has 1 or 2 nukes, I have some land in Iraq to sell you real cheap.
    You're not trying to profit off the people of Iraq are you?
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    Re: Iranian Missile May Be Able to Hit U.S. by 2015

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    You're not trying to profit off the people of Iraq are you?
    No Bush and the Cheney pretty much did that with the Republicans and conservatives cheering them on.

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