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    Re: Are School Lunches a National Security Threat?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    It's probably due to cost. You can have a donut for much cheaper than a salad. Why go to the grocery store, deal with the hassle, and buy all that food to take home and spend time to cook when you can peruse the dollar menu at the nearest fast-food joint.

    I know I personally don't eat healthy because it's too damn expensive. Beef and pork are dirt cheap, but chicken and fish are expensive (although chicken has come down a lot). Why buy a head of lettuce for 2 bucks or tomatoes for 1.79 a pound when you can get a package of Little Debbie snack cakes for the same amount?

    Make fresh, healthy, vitamin-packed foods cheaper and more available and you'll see a slimmer populace.
    That is simply false. A burger without absurd amounts of phosphates is no cheaper than regular ground beef. The large amounts of salt and grease in fast food is about taste not cost. Replacing some portion of meat with beans as a source of protein is quite a bit cheaper. Fresh vegetable are slightly more expensive, but canned ones are just as healthy and plenty cheap. Unhealthy eating is a choice, not a budgetary constraint. I ate healthier on a low income because I couldn't afford meat and cheese.

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    Re: Are School Lunches a National Security Threat?

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    That is simply false. A burger without absurd amounts of phosphates is no cheaper than regular ground beef. The large amounts of salt and grease in fast food is about taste not cost. Replacing some portion of meat with beans as a source of protein is quite a bit cheaper. Fresh vegetable are slightly more expensive, but canned ones are just as healthy and plenty cheap. Unhealthy eating is a choice, not a budgetary constraint. I ate healthier on a low income because I couldn't afford meat and cheese.
    When I went to High School in Nova Scotia Canada, half way through my grade 11 the school went the "Healthy Lunch" Route. What ended up happening was they bought the "Healthiest" yet cheapest "Healthiest" crap they could buy. I have to admit, it was probably better for us then the last stuff they had, But it was more expensive and it tasted like the devils ass.

    I can't speak to how that may change with future programs if it happens, but that was my experience.

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    Re: Are School Lunches a National Security Threat?

    Quote Originally Posted by TOJ View Post
    If there are no subsidies for not growing lettuce and carrots, how are subsidies causing a problem with their pricing? Gipper (I think) said he wanted to shoot all the politicians that supported subsidies for not planting.

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    There are a lot of subsidies. For the type of food that gets turned into garbage. Corn, wheat and soybeans. There's a couple more grains, but those are the big ones.
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    Re: Are School Lunches a National Security Threat?

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    That is simply false. A burger without absurd amounts of phosphates is no cheaper than regular ground beef. The large amounts of salt and grease in fast food is about taste not cost. Replacing some portion of meat with beans as a source of protein is quite a bit cheaper. Fresh vegetable are slightly more expensive, but canned ones are just as healthy and plenty cheap. Unhealthy eating is a choice, not a budgetary constraint. I ate healthier on a low income because I couldn't afford meat and cheese.
    Canned veggies are NOT as healthy as fresh. Yuck.
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    Re: Are School Lunches a National Security Threat?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Are school lunches a national security threat? - Yahoo! News



    I have to agree with this one. School lunches used to be home-cooked and worth eating. Now, they are disgusting and full of fat in most places that use heavily processed food.
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    Re: Are School Lunches a National Security Threat?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Are school lunches a national security threat? - Yahoo! News



    I have to agree with this one. School lunches used to be home-cooked and worth eating. Now, they are disgusting and full of fat in most places that use heavily processed food.
    I disagree. School lunches have nothing to do with it, it is the lack of gym/P.E. classes kids have and what they do at home. Because I am pretty sure that they are serving the same stuff now that they did when I was kid, except today's stuff might be a little bit healthier.
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    Re: Are School Lunches a National Security Threat?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    I disagree. School lunches have nothing to do with it, it is the lack of gym/P.E. classes kids have and what they do at home. Because I am pretty sure that they are serving the same stuff now that they did when I was kid, except today's stuff might be a little bit healthier.
    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Are school lunches a national security threat? - Yahoo! News

    I have to agree with this one. School lunches used to be home-cooked and worth eating. Now, they are disgusting and full of fat in most places that use heavily processed food.
    I think its a combination of both.

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    Re: Are School Lunches a National Security Threat?

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    I think its a combination of both.
    Unless the schools started getting fast food companies to make school lunches or they started serving the kids even less healthier food ,then they have been serving the same stuff for decades. So it is not the food that is the culprit. It is the lack of exercise and physical activity on the part of the kids.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Are School Lunches a National Security Threat?

    Yeah it's pretty much food. Don't get me wrong, exercise is an important part of long term health but unless you're taking the kiddies out for a five mile jog, it's not going to do much to cut the flab.

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    Dietary changes tend to have more of an impact on weight loss because it's relatively easy to reduce calories through improvements to your diet, while it takes a lot of exercise to burn off an equal number of calories. For instance, you could cut 230 calories a day--enough to lose 2 pounds in a month--simply by skipping that afternoon candy bar; to burn 230 calories through exercise, you'd have to run or walk two miles, which could take up to 40 minutes. "That doesn't mean you can't lose a little weight by exercise alone," Eckel says. "But the caloric value of exercise is modest. You have to exercise a lot to make up for that malt over the weekend."
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    Amy Luke of Loyola University and her colleagues compared 149 women from two rural Nigerian villages to 172 African-American women from Chicago. On average, the Nigerian women weighed about 127 pounds whereas the U.S. women weighed about 184.

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    The researchers found good evidence that diet was the culprit. The Nigerian women's diets were high in fiber and carbohydrates and low in fat and animal protein. The U.S. women consumed a diet containing about 40 percent to 45 percent fat and high in processed food.
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    So...yeah. It's pretty much diet. Two chocolate cookies (no milk) takes about a three mile run to burn off. Most adults can't even do that.
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    Re: Are School Lunches a National Security Threat?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Are school lunches a national security threat? - Yahoo! News



    I have to agree with this one. School lunches used to be home-cooked and worth eating. Now, they are disgusting and full of fat in most places that use heavily processed food.
    I recall school lunches as real bad a long time ago. In high school we had mystery meat - brown ,unidentifiable, regular shaped pieces of artificial protean impregnated with globs of fat and God knows what else. (PS when NPR interviewed God he denied creating mystery meat said to ask ConArgra ---- )

    Fridays we had fish rectangles. They were called Fish S@#$%^& back then but I found out that Fish Sticks is as bad as saying Tea Baggers... so I will not say that dirty irty wordy
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