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Gun rights advocates rally in Washington, Virginia

jacksbrat said:
Well, according to the right wing ding bats, he didn't have the right to keep Dodge safe. Was what he done illegal?
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You are absolutely, totally, 100% clueless.
 
Coronado said:
He's an attorney by trade.

What about you?
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we have gone into the cess pool guys/ time to say nite nite and gthe battle will resume when morning has broken or for those of us who actually work when the evening shades decend upon the land !!
 
jacksbrat said:
So is Obama. Me, I'm just a stink stirrer.:2wave:
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It is TD's job to know the difference. You wouldn't know the difference if it bit you in the ass.

Say something intelligent just once. I dare you.
 
jacksbrat said:
No more than you are.
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so you think that a fictional TV character is a repository of federal power.

Remind me of the law review articles you have written-heck even ones you have read- about say the tenth amendment or say the supremacy clause
 
TurtleDude said:
so you think that a fictional TV character is a repository of federal power.
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Is my "fiction" any greater than yours? The whole idea that Obama wants to take away your guns is also fiction. And it's plain that some people read the constitution the way Christians read their bible. They hi-lite what they want it to say, and black out the rest.
 
misterman said:
I like their chili.
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their burgers are better quality than McD's and since the store is closer the stuff is actually still warm when it gets here
 
jacksbrat said:
Is my "fiction" any greater than yours? The whole idea that Obama wants to take away your guns is also fiction. And it's plain that some people read the constitution the way Christians read their bible. They hi-lite what they want it to say, and black out the rest.
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you are just talking out of your butt. We have documented Obama's statements and you just pretend that your lord and master isn't a gun hating hoplophobe. Remind me about handgun rights in Chicago and the crusade Obama led against the total ban there.

Oh that's right, he supported that ban

now that sounds like a guy who really respects the right of the citizenry to keep and bear arms

what do you think the constitution says. This is going to be funny given you confused a fictional municipal town employee with the federal government and congress.
 
misterman said:
I like their chili.
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I worked at Wendy's in high school, and I still love eating there.

Just a side note -- the meat in the chili is yesterday's hamburgers. It won't hurt you any, but I always thought it is sorta funny how people rave over the chili.
 
now that sounds like a guy who really respects the right of the citizenry to keep and bear arms
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No one has convienced my that the citizenry has a right to keep and bear arms. That sounds like an opinion to me. The second amendment was about militias. We no longer have a "A well regulated Militia" which happened to be the first words of the second amendment. Can we just black them out?
 
jacksbrat said:
No one has convienced my that the citizenry has a right to keep and bear arms. That sounds like an opinion to me. The second amendment was about militias. We no longer have a "A well regulated Militia" which happened to be the first words of the second amendment. Can we just black them out?
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I doubt anyone could convince you of anything.

In any event, the Supreme Court disagrees with you, and that is all that matters. So sorry!
 
Coronado said:
I doubt anyone could convince you of anything.

In any event, the Supreme Court disagrees with you, and that is all that matters. So sorry!
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But that's because we've always had a right wing court.
 
Coronado said:
God forbid you should actually try to prove something you say.

Do you know how to prove something?
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Further proof that we need vast improvements in our educational system.
 
WillRockwell said:
You and the creeps who thanked you can go to hell, if you are hoarding guns for people of "my sort" then you are truly insane.
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61 Electric Bron-Yr-Aur said:
If I were to judge you by your sig, I'd say you're insane.
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TurtleDude said:
Go change your shorts, my nose is offended. and yes, being armed against those who would persecute gun owners is a good idea
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Coronado said:
It is TD's job to know the difference. You wouldn't know the difference if it bit you in the ass.

Say something intelligent just once. I dare you.
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Moderator's Warning:
Comments like these need to cease immediately. Next one that is out of line loses privileges to post on this thread.
 
Hahahahahahah, I think it's just the moon's cycle. The werewolves will appear any moment.
 
jacksbrat said:
No one has convienced my that the citizenry has a right to keep and bear arms. That sounds like an opinion to me. The second amendment was about militias. We no longer have a "A well regulated Militia" which happened to be the first words of the second amendment. Can we just black them out?
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I dunno, let's ask the guys who wrote and see what they intended it to mean.



On what is the militia:

George Mason: "I ask you sir, who are the militia? They consist now of the whole people." (Elliott,
Debates, 425-426)

Richard Henry Lee: "A militia, when properly formed, are in fact the people themselves...and
include all men capable of bearing arms." (Additional letters from the Federal Farmer, at 169, 1788)

James Madison: "A well regulated militia, composed of the people, trained to arms, is the
best and most natural defense of a free country." (1st Annals of Congress, at 434, June 8th 1789,
emphasis added.

IMPORTANT NOTE: Back in the 18th century, a "regular" army meant an army that had
standard military equipment. So a "well regulated" army was simply one that was "well equipped." It
does NOT refer to a professional army. The 17th century folks used the term "STANDING Army"
to describe a professional army. THEREFORE, "a well regulated militia" only means a well equipped
militia. It does not imply the modern meaning of "regulated," which means controlled or administered
by some superior entity. Federal control over the militia comes from other parts of the Constitution,
but not from the second amendment.

Patrick Henry: "The people have a right to keep and bear arms." (Elliott, Debates at 185)

Alexander Hamilton: "...that standing army can never be formidable (threatening) to the liberties
of the people, while there is a large body of citizens, little if at all inferior to them in the use of arms."
(Federalist Paper #29)

"Little more can be aimed at with respect to the people at large than to have them properly armed
and equipped." (Id) {responding to the claim that the militia itself could threaten liberty}" There is
something so far-fetched, and so extravagant in the idea of danger of liberty from the militia that one
is at a loss whether to treat it with gravity or raillery (mockery). (Id)
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What the Founders of the US said about guns:
Thomas Jefferson: "Laws that forbid the carrying of arms...disarm only those who are neither
inclined or determined to commit crimes. Such laws only make things worse for the assaulted and
better for the assassins; they serve to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man
may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man." (1764 Letter and speech from T.
Jefferson quoting with approval an essay by Cesare Beccari)

John Adams: "Arms in the hands of citizens may be used at individual discretion in private self
defense." (A defense of the Constitution of the US)

George Washington: "Firearms stand next in importance to the Constitution itself. They are the
people's liberty teeth (and) keystone... the rifle and the pistol are equally indispensable... more than
99% of them [guns] by their silence indicate that they are in safe and sane hands. The very
atmosphere of firearms everywhere restrains evil interference [crime]. When firearms go, all goes,
we need them every hour." (Address to 1st session of Congress)

George Mason: "To disarm the people is the most effectual way to enslave them." (3 Elliot,
Debates at 380)

Noah Webster: "Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed, as they are in
almost every country in Europe." (1787, Pamphlets on the Constitution of the US)

George Washington: "A free people ought to be armed." (Jan 14 1790, Boston Independent
Chronicle.)

Thomas Jefferson: "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." (T. Jefferson papers,
334, C.J. Boyd, Ed. 1950)

James Madison: "Americans have the right and advantage of being armed, unlike the people of
other countries, whose people are afraid to trust them with arms." (Federalist Paper #46)
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