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misterman said:
What do you need explained exactly?
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Well, accrding to you, Barack Obama believes the Second Amendment creates an individual right, and he respects the constitutional rights of Americans to bear arms. He will protect the rights of hunters and other law-abiding Americans to purchase,own, transport, and use guns.

And yet, he wants to ban guns, which -violates- the constitutional rights of Americans - hunters and other law-abiding Americans - to purchase, own, transport, keep, bear, and use guns.

The dichotomy is self-evident.
 
Goobieman said:
Well, accrding to you, Barack Obama believes the Second Amendment creates an individual right, and he respects the constitutional rights of Americans to bear arms. He will protect the rights of hunters and other law-abiding Americans to purchase,own, transport, and use guns.

And yet, he wants to ban guns, which -violates- the constitutional rights of Americans - hunters and other law-abiding Americans - to purchase, own, transport, keep, bear, and use guns.

The dichotomy is self-evident.
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Well, what we have here is some evidence from you claiming he does want to ban guns, and some from me claiming he does.

How do we resolve that?

Here's how - we wait to see what he actually does.

So wait. If he does try to ban guns, get back to us.
 
misterman said:
Well, what we have here is some evidence from you claiming he does want to ban guns, and some from me claiming he does.
How do we resolve that?
Here's how - we wait to see what he actually does.
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Nice dodge.
 
Goobieman said:
Nice dodge.
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No, it's exactly on target. You have a better idea of how to handle this problem?

You ask me to "explain" your evidence. Why don't you explain mine? Then we'll be back to where we started. The only way to know what Obama is going to do (which is all that matters in the real world) is to wait until he actually does it.
 
misterman said:
You ask me to "explain" your evidence. Why don't you explain mine?
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No... I asked that the dichotomy between the two positions be explained.

There -is- a clear conflict between the two positions. Why doesn't that intrigue you?
 
Goobieman said:
No... I asked that the dichotomy between the two positions be explained.
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How do you explain it?

There -is- a clear conflict between the two positions. Why doesn't that intrigue you?
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No, because I only care about what actually happens. I believe the latest policy, the one he stated while running for the office he holds, is the one he will adhere to. And so far he has. What more is there to say until he does something different?
 
misterman said:
How do you explain it?
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Simple:
The Obama is an anti-gun liberal, but as such, it makes it harder for Him to get (and stay) elected, so, in the link you provided, He deliberately mis-represented His position in order to mask said anti-gun-ness.

That is, He lied in order to get elected.

How do YOU explain it?

No, because I only care about what actually happens.
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Really?
You have NEVER taken exception to a politician clearly having two seperate positions on an issue or lying about his position in order to get elected?
Ever?
 
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Goobieman said:
Your lack of subtantive response speaks loud and clear.
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I can't think of anything more substantive than judging Obama by what he actually does.
 
misterman said:
Then why don't you go think of something better instead of asking me. Let us know what it is too.
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I'm sorry -- it seems there are two questions you havent addressd:

How do YOU explain the dichotomy of His positions?

You have NEVER taken exception to a politician clearly having two seperate positions on an issue and/or lying about his position in order to get elected?
 
Goobieman said:
I'm sorry -- it seems there are two questions you havent addressd:

How do YOU explain the dichotomy of His positions?

You have NEVER taken exception to a politician clearly having two seperate positions on an issue and/or lying about his position in order to get elected?
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That poster has a well documented history of playing circular reasoning contrarian

As I noted, if some clown says constantly he plans on kicking my ass but he won't because he realizes I'd waste him or friends of mine would waste him only an idiot would let their guard down when the clown is around. Obama wants to ban guns, he has said that in the past and the only reason why he doesn't is because he would take a serious butt whipping politically.

IF we don't start worrying until AFTER guns are banned, we have already lost
 
TurtleDude said:
That poster has a well documented history of playing circular reasoning contrarian

As I noted, if some clown says constantly he plans on kicking my ass but he won't because he realizes I'd waste him or friends of mine would waste him only an idiot would let their guard down when the clown is around. Obama wants to ban guns, he has said that in the past and the only reason why he doesn't is because he would take a serious butt whipping politically.

IF we don't start worrying until AFTER guns are banned, we have already lost
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Nobody wants your damn guns, and there are more important issues to concern yourself with. Grow up.
 
Goobieman said:
Hmm.
Given the statement you posted, explain why The Obama, if only He could have His own way, would ban guns:

Obama to Seek New Assault Weapons Ban - ABC News

First 100 days: Assault weapons ban - The First 100 Days- msnbc.com

FOXNews.com - Obama Calls for Permanent Assault Weapons Ban to Combat Inner-City Violence - Politics | Republican Party | Democratic Party | Political Spectrum

Gun control: Election Center 2008 - CNN.com

Back Burner for an Assault-Weapons Ban - Newsweek.com
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None of this stuff calls for the ellimination of the 2nd amenedment. The basic amendment is there and intact albiet it has been tweaked with the times as have been other admendments.
 
TurtleDude said:
you do know that is what people in England said when the ban on handguns was being proposed

You do know that Australians said the same thing when thousands of pump action and semi auto shotguns were being confiscated.

I wonder how many people went to the "Showers" saying "This cannot be happening
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We' is getting a bit dramatic here with the reference to the Holoaust !!

When did they confiscate guns in Autralia ? What year? I wouldn't have thought that the Ausises would be that docile to let theri government actually consicate their guns!!!

The Brits , well !!! hmmmm
 
F107HyperSabr said:
None of this stuff calls for the ellimination of the 2nd amenedment. The basic amendment is there and intact albiet it has been tweaked with the times as have been other admendments.
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That is akin to saying a ban on Lutheran or Methodist churches is not an infringement on the first amendment because all those Lutherans and Methodists have plenty of other protestant denominations to choose from such as Episcopalians, Congretationalists, or Southern Baptists
 
F107HyperSabr said:
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We' is getting a bit dramatic here with the reference to the Holoaust !!

When did they confiscate guns in Autralia ? What year? I wouldn't have thought that the Ausises would be that docile to let theri government actually consicate their guns!!!

The Brits , well !!! hmmmm
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I have a great idea

if you want to debate gun laws and gun control with people who understand the subject you'd do a bit better by keeping up on the subject

Crime Up Down Under. Since Australia's Gun Ban, Armed Robberies Increase 45% // Current

After Australian lawmakers passed widespread gun bans, owners were forced to surrender about 650,000 weapons, which were later slated for destruction, according to statistics from the Australian Sporting Shooters Association.

The bans were not limited to so-called "assault" weapons or military-type firearms, but also to .22 rifles and shotguns. The effort cost the Australian government about $500 million, said association representative Keith Tidswell.
 
WillRockwell said:
Nobody wants your damn guns, and there are more important issues to concern yourself with. Grow up.
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find a new line junior--

1) you don't speak for all gun haters

2) you are a liar-there are plenty of people who want to ban guns

3) you confuse what people want and what they can do

4) given your hostility to gun owners there is no doubt in my mind that you would ban guns and subject gun owners to all sorts of nastiness if you had the chance

5) I am well armed for many reasons, one being people with your sort of mindset exist in this world
 
TurtleDude said:
That is akin to saying a ban on Lutheran or Methodist churches is not an infringement on the first amendment because all those Lutherans and Methodists have plenty of other protestant denominations to choose from such as Episcopalians, Congretationalists, or Southern Baptists
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sorry, no not even a close comparison in my way of thinking ! Now is all hand guns were outlawed by the Feds them ok I cold see that as a colloary to eliminating Lutherans !! But think about it no one has eleiminated all hand guns.
 
TurtleDude said:
find a new line junior--

1) you don't speak for all gun haters

2) you are a liar-there are plenty of people who want to ban guns

3) you confuse what people want and what they can do

4) given your hostility to gun owners there is no doubt in my mind that you would ban guns and subject gun owners to all sorts of nastiness if you had the chance

5) I am well armed for many reasons, one being people with your sort of mindset exist in this world
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Hey guys !! This is a pretty good site. Except for a couple posters maybe one mod and his boyfriend most people here are ok regardless of whether one agrees with them or not. So why call someone a liar !!! Just blow his position away if you can. Let's keep this intelectual and funny when needed but why swim in the cess pool. :(
 
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