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Gun rights advocates rally in Washington, Virginia

Reverend_Hellh0und said:
You infered a pro gun stance by the left. That was dishonest. I corrected you. :pimpdaddy:
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Totally wrong, You need to reread his statement and knock off the twisting of facts. I realize it is so easier to twist things to make them fit into your agenda.

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The funniest part is they were able to carry their guns onto federal parkland because of a new law passed by the Democratic Congress and signed by Obama.
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F107HyperSabr said:
Actually I believe that the CALIFORNIA law was more of a "assault weapons" look alike ban then the Clinton ban.

Ok so the activity in gun control or tightening up was 17 years ago so you have not explained why all of a sudden we have a fear of 2nd amendment going away. So Obama did something 17 years ago??
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are you playing stupid? Obama and Biden have the most anti gun record leading into the election of any ticket in US History.
 
Crosscheck said:
Totally wrong, You need to reread his statement and knock off the twisting of facts. I realize it is so easier to twist things to make them fit into your agenda.
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The Reverend was correct. The person he corrected tried to insinuate that the Obama administration loosened restrictions on gun possession in parks
 
F107HyperSabr said:
Really, What laws did they specifically pass to outlaw gun ?
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This sort of evasive nonesense is pathetic. Biden was a major architect and sponsor of the clinton gun ban.
 
TurtleDude said:
Well lets see what has happened over the last 50 or so years

In 1934 FDR thought placing an onerous tax on machine guns would get rid of the prohibition era gangs. He used the commerce clause to accomplish this unconstitutional bit of nonsense

in 1968 we had the GCA of 68. It banned mail order guns, it prevented me, someone who lives 15 minutes from KY from buying a handgun there, and it set forth recordkeeping of gun purchases. You also had to show IDs to get ammo though that was rescinded later on.


In 1986, in a violation of the senate rules etc Dem gun hater Congressman Hughes tried to derail the McClure Voker FOPA by attaching a ban on the ownership of any automatic weapon made after may 19, 1986 even though there had never been a case since the 1934 act of a machine gun legally owned being used in a crime save for a dayton cop killing someone with an uzi

In 1993 the dems with clinton passed the brady bill. Though part of it was stricken (mandates on the states) it forced waiting periods on people thus engaging in prior restraint

Then came the idiotic Clinton gun ban that banned the sale of scary looking guns and magazines that carried more than 10 rounds

Other proposals dems have floated included a punitive "arsenal tax" on anyone owning more than a thousand rounds (two weeks of practice for a serious shooter) or 20 guns, bans on all semi autos, bans on all handguns, bans on certain calibers , etc.

Yeah gun owners are paranoid--the dems never have any desire to infringe on our rights
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All of those things that you cited were checks on gun ownership and/or purschase but where and when did this happen "" Americans' right to bear arms under the Second Amendment will be taken away." ??

What specifically has Obama done to "Second Amendment will be taken away." ??
 
F107HyperSabr said:
All of those things that you cited were checks on gun ownership and/or purschase but where and when did this happen "" Americans' right to bear arms under the Second Amendment will be taken away." ??

What specifically has Obama done to "Second Amendment will be taken away." ??
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I guess you will play stupid about the incremental approach to banning guns

what part of shall not infringe do you not get?

There are two ways to kill someone with a knife

You can stab them in a major artery, the heart or the brain

or you can cut them here and there and they will slowly bleed to death. Gun banners cannot do the former so they brag about the latter. We know it, and they have admitted to it

so if we don't want our gun rights to die. we counter the first scratch the gun banners try to inflict.

All of what I posted are cuts designed to bleed the right to death
 
TurtleDude said:
Having studied the ARC for over 30 years, I have noted that one of the tactics of this group is to constantly hurl the term paranoid at those who call out the schemes of the ARC

Yet facts exist proving that no one is paranoid. Britain registered handguns and then banned the entire lot of them based on ONE NUT killing kids at Dunblaine in 1997. Florio banned thousands of semi auto rifles in NJ after dems pushed for registration (replete with promises that the registration would never be used for confiscation)

California and NYC also used registration lists for confiscation as did Australia
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Confication of al gun?? I don't think so ?
 
TurtleDude said:
I guess you will play stupid about the incremental approach to banning guns

what part of shall not infringe do you not get?

There are two ways to kill someone with a knife

You can stab them in a major artery, the heart or the brain

or you can cut them here and there and they will slowly bleed to death. Gun banners cannot do the former so they brag about the latter. We know it, and they have admitted to it

so if we don't want our gun rights to die. we counter the first scratch the gun banners try to inflict.

All of what I posted are cuts designed to bleed the right to death
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So are you saying that any type of weapons system in the hands of any and all citizens was the aim of the 2nd amendment ?

Now think about it before you answer because remember that when the 2nd amendment was enqacted power discharged weapons were limited to muskets ( I will include the Kentucky rifled Rilfe in that) cannons, and mortors which at that time were nothing more than short stiby cannons.

So should the avaerage homeowner also have a right to own a :

surface to air missle ?
your standard suburband tactical nike ?
fighter jets with smart and dumb weapons ?
machine guns ?
 
Alvin T. Grey said:
Hand guns aren't banned in the UK. They are regulated. Not banned.
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wrong

private ownership of handguns was banned in ENgland following Dunblane

I know I spent several years "shooting" in Somerset at Chargot and Miltons. My loader was a retired "armed constable". He couldn't own the weapon he carried in service to his queen and country. British pistol shooters have to train outside of England for the Olympic games.

from wiki

Following the Dunblane massacre, the government passed the Firearms (Amendment) (No. 2) Act 1997 which means that as of 1997 handguns have been almost completely banned for private ownership, although the official inquiry, known as the Cullen Inquiry, did not go so far as to recommend such action.[23] Exceptions to the ban include muzzle-loading "blackpowder" guns, pistols produced before 1917, pistols of historical interest (such as pistols used in notable crimes, rare prototypes, unusual serial numbers and so on), starting pistols, pistols that are of particular aesthetic interest (such as engraved or jewelled guns) and shot pistols for pest control. Under certain circumstances, individuals may be issued a PPW (Personal Protection Weapon) licence. Even the UK's Olympic shooters fall under this ban; shooters can only train in Northern Ireland, the Channel Islands, the Isle of Man, or abroad.[24]

Following the awarding of the 2012 Olympic Games to London, the government announced that special dispensation would be granted to allow the various shooting events to go ahead, as had been the case previously for the 2002 Commonwealth Games. However, it was still illegal for Britain's top pistol shooters to train in England, Scotland or Wales. As a result, British shooters currently spend 20 to 30 days a year training in Switzerland, and receive no public sports funding because their events are considered illegal in the UK


what a silly arse reaction on the part of the silly brits
 
aps said:
It's their way to protest the fact that they don't like that we have a black president. It's really very simple.
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I was hoping that we were past all of that and that is why I was looking for an answer.
 
F107HyperSabr said:
So are you saying that any type of weapons system in the hands of any and all citizens was the aim of the 2nd amendment ?

Now think about it before you answer because remember that when the 2nd amendment was enqacted power discharged weapons were limited to muskets ( I will include the Kentucky rifled Rilfe in that) cannons, and mortors which at that time were nothing more than short stiby cannons.

So should the avaerage homeowner also have a right to own a :

surface to air missle ?
your standard suburband tactical nike ?
fighter jets with smart and dumb weapons ?
machine guns ?
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Reductio ad absurdum. Logic FAIL.
 
F107HyperSabr said:
I was hoping that we were past all of that and that is why I was looking for an answer.
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Most of us are. The only ones left are the ones who whip out the race card in the face of a legitimate political criticism. It's a shame, really.
 
Coronado said:
Reductio ad absurdum. Logic FAIL.
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when we all can own the stuff that is clearly protected by the second amendment--submachine guns, real assault rifles, high capacity semi auto handguns--ie stuff that civilian law enforcement officers already use (and thus establish an estoppel against any government unit that so issues such weapons from claiming these firearms have no civilian use) t hen we can start talking about stuff that bruises the line between an individual infantry small arm and "artillery" and Ordnance (like an M79 grenade launcher or strela SAM)
 
lizzie said:
OMG, you can't be serious.:mrgreen: And some of us are calling gun-owners paranoid?:shock:
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ok, so what is the reason for why now, why how with such harsh rhetoric when there has not been a significant federal law on "gun control" in 17 years ? If ADPS is all wet let's proove hm so !!
 
F107HyperSabr said:
ok, so what is the reason for why now, why how with such harsh rhetoric when there has not been a significant federal law on "gun control" in 17 years ? If ADPS is all wet let's proove hm so !!
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for 160 years there was no federal gun control laws because people actually understood the second amendment.
 
Jetboogieman said:
I never claimed to know **** my friend. You are quite right.

So. Indeed I lacked the nessecary education on the ban.

So anyway, to continue my ignorance. Regardless of the ban and whatever it entails. Why are people so concerned about guns when they have 40 at home? and when Obama gets elected run out and buy 60 more? that makes little to no sense to me.
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Jet may not know an assault weapon from a vacuum cleaner BUT he is dead on that once Obama was elected there was a run on weapons and amminution purchases. He did not even take office yet when the runs started.
 
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TurtleDude said:
This sort of evasive nonesense is pathetic. Biden was a major architect and sponsor of the clinton gun ban.
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Clinton did not "outlaw" guns. He did not push for the ellimination of the 2nd ammendment.
 
TurtleDude said:
wrong

private ownership of handguns was banned in ENgland following Dunblane

I know I spent several years "shooting" in Somerset at Chargot and Miltons. My loader was a retired "armed constable". He couldn't own the weapon he carried in service to his queen and country. British pistol shooters have to train outside of England for the Olympic games.

from wiki

Following the Dunblane massacre, the government passed the Firearms (Amendment) (No. 2) Act 1997 which means that as of 1997 handguns have been almost completely banned for private ownership, although the official inquiry, known as the Cullen Inquiry, did not go so far as to recommend such action.[23] Exceptions to the ban include muzzle-loading "blackpowder" guns, pistols produced before 1917, pistols of historical interest (such as pistols used in notable crimes, rare prototypes, unusual serial numbers and so on), starting pistols, pistols that are of particular aesthetic interest (such as engraved or jewelled guns) and shot pistols for pest control. Under certain circumstances, individuals may be issued a PPW (Personal Protection Weapon) licence. Even the UK's Olympic shooters fall under this ban; shooters can only train in Northern Ireland, the Channel Islands, the Isle of Man, or abroad.[24]

Following the awarding of the 2012 Olympic Games to London, the government announced that special dispensation would be granted to allow the various shooting events to go ahead, as had been the case previously for the 2002 Commonwealth Games. However, it was still illegal for Britain's top pistol shooters to train in England, Scotland or Wales. As a result, British shooters currently spend 20 to 30 days a year training in Switzerland, and receive no public sports funding because their events are considered illegal in the UK


what a silly arse reaction on the part of the silly brits
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ok so when did Obama become the PM of Great Britain ?
 
F107HyperSabr said:
Jet may not know an assault weapon from a vacuum cleaner BUT he is dead on that once Obama was elected there was a run on weapons and amminution purchases. He did not even take office yet when the runs started.
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which was a logical response given Biden has constantly pushed for expansion of the clinton gun ban
 
F107HyperSabr said:
So are you saying that any type of weapons system in the hands of any and all citizens was the aim of the 2nd amendment ?
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Yes especially when you consider that the aim of the 2nd amendment was defense of oneself,property and others, to defend against an invasion, to defend against and repel and tyrannical government and many other things, to keep a state free and secure and so on.


Now think about it before you answer because remember that when the 2nd amendment was enqacted power discharged weapons were limited to muskets ( I will include the Kentucky rifled Rilfe in that) cannons, and mortors which at that time were nothing more than short stiby cannons.
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If you are going to use the technology BS as a reason to infringe on 2nd amendment rights then you open other rights to infringements with the technology argument. Remember, when the 1st and 4th amendment was enacted there were no Mormons, mass printing presses, televsions, cameras, color magazines, computers, telephones, internet and many other things. I am pretty sure that most anti-2nd amendment opponents could care less about whether or not they had this or that back then. Rights do not expire just because of technological improvements.

So should the avaerage homeowner also have a right to own a :

surface to air missle ?
your standard suburband tactical nike ?
fighter jets with smart and dumb weapons ?
machine guns ?
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The average homeowner should be able to own what ever the military/government/law enforcement can get their hands on. Assuming that they pay for those things themselves and have a place to put them. Kind of hard to take a tyrannical government out if the government is the only one allowed to have military grade weapons and its kind of hard to defend against an invasion if the government is the only one able to have military weapons.
 
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