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    Re: Gun rights advocates rally in Washington, Virginia

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    I never claimed to know **** my friend. You are quite right.

    So. Indeed I lacked the nessecary education on the ban.

    So anyway, to continue my ignorance. Regardless of the ban and whatever it entails. Why are people so concerned about guns when they have 40 at home? and when Obama gets elected run out and buy 60 more? that makes little to no sense to me.
    Jet may not know an assault weapon from a vacuum cleaner BUT he is dead on that once Obama was elected there was a run on weapons and amminution purchases. He did not even take office yet when the runs started.
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    Re: Gun rights advocates rally in Washington, Virginia

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    This sort of evasive nonesense is pathetic. Biden was a major architect and sponsor of the clinton gun ban.
    Clinton did not "outlaw" guns. He did not push for the ellimination of the 2nd ammendment.
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    Re: Gun rights advocates rally in Washington, Virginia

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    wrong

    private ownership of handguns was banned in ENgland following Dunblane

    I know I spent several years "shooting" in Somerset at Chargot and Miltons. My loader was a retired "armed constable". He couldn't own the weapon he carried in service to his queen and country. British pistol shooters have to train outside of England for the Olympic games.

    from wiki

    Following the Dunblane massacre, the government passed the Firearms (Amendment) (No. 2) Act 1997 which means that as of 1997 handguns have been almost completely banned for private ownership, although the official inquiry, known as the Cullen Inquiry, did not go so far as to recommend such action.[23] Exceptions to the ban include muzzle-loading "blackpowder" guns, pistols produced before 1917, pistols of historical interest (such as pistols used in notable crimes, rare prototypes, unusual serial numbers and so on), starting pistols, pistols that are of particular aesthetic interest (such as engraved or jewelled guns) and shot pistols for pest control. Under certain circumstances, individuals may be issued a PPW (Personal Protection Weapon) licence. Even the UK's Olympic shooters fall under this ban; shooters can only train in Northern Ireland, the Channel Islands, the Isle of Man, or abroad.[24]

    Following the awarding of the 2012 Olympic Games to London, the government announced that special dispensation would be granted to allow the various shooting events to go ahead, as had been the case previously for the 2002 Commonwealth Games. However, it was still illegal for Britain's top pistol shooters to train in England, Scotland or Wales. As a result, British shooters currently spend 20 to 30 days a year training in Switzerland, and receive no public sports funding because their events are considered illegal in the UK


    what a silly arse reaction on the part of the silly brits
    ok so when did Obama become the PM of Great Britain ?
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    Re: Gun rights advocates rally in Washington, Virginia

    Quote Originally Posted by F107HyperSabr View Post
    Jet may not know an assault weapon from a vacuum cleaner BUT he is dead on that once Obama was elected there was a run on weapons and amminution purchases. He did not even take office yet when the runs started.
    which was a logical response given Biden has constantly pushed for expansion of the clinton gun ban



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    Re: Gun rights advocates rally in Washington, Virginia

    Quote Originally Posted by F107HyperSabr View Post
    So are you saying that any type of weapons system in the hands of any and all citizens was the aim of the 2nd amendment ?
    Yes especially when you consider that the aim of the 2nd amendment was defense of oneself,property and others, to defend against an invasion, to defend against and repel and tyrannical government and many other things, to keep a state free and secure and so on.


    Now think about it before you answer because remember that when the 2nd amendment was enqacted power discharged weapons were limited to muskets ( I will include the Kentucky rifled Rilfe in that) cannons, and mortors which at that time were nothing more than short stiby cannons.
    If you are going to use the technology BS as a reason to infringe on 2nd amendment rights then you open other rights to infringements with the technology argument. Remember, when the 1st and 4th amendment was enacted there were no Mormons, mass printing presses, televsions, cameras, color magazines, computers, telephones, internet and many other things. I am pretty sure that most anti-2nd amendment opponents could care less about whether or not they had this or that back then. Rights do not expire just because of technological improvements.

    So should the avaerage homeowner also have a right to own a :

    surface to air missle ?
    your standard suburband tactical nike ?
    fighter jets with smart and dumb weapons ?
    machine guns ?
    The average homeowner should be able to own what ever the military/government/law enforcement can get their hands on. Assuming that they pay for those things themselves and have a place to put them. Kind of hard to take a tyrannical government out if the government is the only one allowed to have military grade weapons and its kind of hard to defend against an invasion if the government is the only one able to have military weapons.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Gun rights advocates rally in Washington, Virginia

    Quote Originally Posted by F107HyperSabr View Post
    ok so when did Obama become the PM of Great Britain ?
    did you read the post I quoted? clearly not



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    Re: Gun rights advocates rally in Washington, Virginia

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    You are a newcomer to the issue then

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    No, been a gun owner since 1969. I just don't get all excited over a group or give it much thought unless it is effectual and or a threat !!!
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    Re: Gun rights advocates rally in Washington, Virginia

    Quote Originally Posted by F107HyperSabr View Post
    Clinton did not "outlaw" guns. He did not push for the ellimination of the 2nd ammendment.
    So if someone pushed for so called hate speech laws, banned certain religions, banned what you can and can't say about the government then we could still call that person a 1st amendment advocate?
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

    Cicero Marcus Tullius

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    Re: Gun rights advocates rally in Washington, Virginia

    Quote Originally Posted by F107HyperSabr View Post
    No, been a gun owner since 1969. I just don't get all excited over a group or give it much thought unless it is effectual and or a threat !!!
    sadly people like me have to protect the rights of gunowners like you while protecting the rights of the rest of us. Humor me what sort of gun do you own and CT bans the Colt AR-15 which is made there

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    Re: Gun rights advocates rally in Washington, Virginia

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    So if someone pushed for so called hate speech laws, banned certain religions, banned what you can and can't say about the government then we could still call that person a 1st amendment advocate?
    SOme people just aren't smart enough to pay attention to the incremental method of banning guns

    I know you know the story about how to boil a frog.



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