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    Re: Gun rights advocates rally in Washington, Virginia

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    Welcome to the state of NJ, where with the swipe of a pen, not only were citizens denied the sale of certain guns, but many instantly became outlaws, owning weapons that based on cosmetics were now banned.....



    I owned a Marlin .22 at the time. I was an outlaw.
    You outlaw you!

    You coulda put someone's eye out with that contraband .22.

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    Re: Gun rights advocates rally in Washington, Virginia

    Quote Originally Posted by Coronado View Post
    You outlaw you!

    You coulda put someone's eye out with that contraband .22.




    dood, its a beutiful gun.


    Quite the assault rifle.


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    Re: Gun rights advocates rally in Washington, Virginia

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    With any gun control laws that have ever been passed. Has an honest citizen ever flat out been denied the sale of a gun?
    Absolutely - 1994-2004 people were denied the purchase of all kinds of guns.
    People are denied purchases of guns in several major US cities, and have been for decades.

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    Re: Gun rights advocates rally in Washington, Virginia

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    Are you opposed to a backround check before buying a gun?
    Background checks are a version of what we call 'prior restraint' where the government denies you the exercise of your right on the grounds that you might be doing something illegal. In our system, that violates our Constitution.

    And so, we are opposed.

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    Re: Gun rights advocates rally in Washington, Virginia

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Background checks are a version of what we call 'prior restraint' where the government denies you the exercise of your right on the grounds that you might be doing something illegal. In our system, that violates our Constitution.

    And so, we are opposed.
    No, you aren't restrained from buying a gun due to a background check, unless you fail it.

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    Re: Gun rights advocates rally in Washington, Virginia

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    No, you aren't restrained from buying a gun due to a background check, unless you fail it.
    So you wouldn't be restrained from free speech as long as you pass a back ground check? What about permit/license and registration requirements for free speech,surely as long as you do those things your right to free speech is unrestrained.
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    Re: Gun rights advocates rally in Washington, Virginia

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    So you wouldn't be restrained from free speech as long as you pass a back ground check?
    Not if I am able to speak in full.

    What about permit/license and registration requirements for free speech,surely as long as you do those things your right to free speech is unrestrained.
    Those are different things. Those aren't prior restraint, they're just restraint. Assuming those regulations are constitutional, a background check to make sure someone meets them certainly is. It's simply verifying. If you're under 18 and can't vote yet, it's not prior restraint on the right to vote to check your ID beforehand, even if you're actually over 18.

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    Re: Gun rights advocates rally in Washington, Virginia

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    No, you aren't restrained from buying a gun due to a background check, unless you fail it.
    what if you are delayed due to

    1) someone else with a similar name has a felony

    2) you are in a job that has alot of background inquiries--ie a court security officer, trust officer at a bank, federal agent etc

    3) the clown at the BCI screws up

    I have seen hundreds of delays where the person was not a criminal



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    Re: Gun rights advocates rally in Washington, Virginia

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    I can't remember anything significant being said by the Obama administration on the issue. I'm not aware of any plans when it comes to gun control. It's being left up to the states, where it should be.
    Of course the Obama Administration isn't saying anything. They have us distracted with Obamacare and bank reform, while they go quietly about their gun ban agenda in the UN.

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    Re: Gun rights advocates rally in Washington, Virginia

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    what if you are delayed due to

    1) someone else with a similar name has a felony

    2) you are in a job that has alot of background inquiries--ie a court security officer, trust officer at a bank, federal agent etc

    3) the clown at the BCI screws up

    I have seen hundreds of delays where the person was not a criminal
    That would suck, and we should fix that. But are mistakes unconstitutional?

    If the regulations are constitutional, then making someone wait is worth keeping guns out of the hands of those who shouldn't have them. That's the assumption inherent in the regulations anyway.

    This is a bit like the "no-fly" list to stop terrorists from getting on planes. Some innocent people get caught up in it, but that doesn't mean we should scrap the list altogether.

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