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    Re: Gun rights advocates rally in Washington, Virginia

    Quote Originally Posted by jacksbrat View Post
    No one has convienced my that the citizenry has a right to keep and bear arms. That sounds like an opinion to me. The second amendment was about militias. We no longer have a "A well regulated Militia" which happened to be the first words of the second amendment. Can we just black them out?
    I doubt anyone could convince you of anything.

    In any event, the Supreme Court disagrees with you, and that is all that matters. So sorry!

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    Re: Gun rights advocates rally in Washington, Virginia

    Quote Originally Posted by Coronado View Post
    I doubt anyone could convince you of anything.

    In any event, the Supreme Court disagrees with you, and that is all that matters. So sorry!
    But that's because we've always had a right wing court.

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    Re: Gun rights advocates rally in Washington, Virginia

    Quote Originally Posted by jacksbrat View Post
    But that's because we've always had a right wing court.


    No, we haven't.

    You are totally, totally clueless.

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    Re: Gun rights advocates rally in Washington, Virginia

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    No, we haven't.

    You are totally, totally clueless.
    Whatever.

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    Re: Gun rights advocates rally in Washington, Virginia

    Quote Originally Posted by jacksbrat View Post
    Whatever.
    God forbid you should actually try to prove something you say.

    Do you know how to prove something?

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    Re: Gun rights advocates rally in Washington, Virginia

    Quote Originally Posted by Coronado View Post
    God forbid you should actually try to prove something you say.

    Do you know how to prove something?
    Further proof that we need vast improvements in our educational system.
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    Re: Gun rights advocates rally in Washington, Virginia

    Quote Originally Posted by Coronado View Post
    God forbid you should actually try to prove something you say.

    Do you know how to prove something?
    You mean like this?

    Presidential Involvement with Supreme Court Oath Ceremonies

    I don't know how far you want to go back but since Eisenhower, the republicans have appointed 11 supreme court judges, and the democrats 6. Sounds pretty much a right wing majority to me.

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    Re: Gun rights advocates rally in Washington, Virginia

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    Hahahahahahah, I think it's just the moon's cycle. The werewolves will appear any moment.
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    Re: Gun rights advocates rally in Washington, Virginia

    Quote Originally Posted by jacksbrat View Post
    No one has convienced my that the citizenry has a right to keep and bear arms. That sounds like an opinion to me. The second amendment was about militias. We no longer have a "A well regulated Militia" which happened to be the first words of the second amendment. Can we just black them out?


    I dunno, let's ask the guys who wrote and see what they intended it to mean.



    On what is the militia:

    George Mason: "I ask you sir, who are the militia? They consist now of the whole people." (Elliott,
    Debates, 425-426)

    Richard Henry Lee: "A militia, when properly formed, are in fact the people themselves...and
    include all men capable of bearing arms
    ." (Additional letters from the Federal Farmer, at 169, 1788)

    James Madison: "A well regulated militia, composed of the people, trained to arms, is the
    best and most natural defense of a free country." (1st Annals of Congress, at 434, June 8th 1789,
    emphasis added.

    IMPORTANT NOTE: Back in the 18th century, a "regular" army meant an army that had
    standard military equipment. So a "well regulated" army was simply one that was "well equipped." It
    does NOT refer to a professional army. The 17th century folks used the term "STANDING Army"
    to describe a professional army. THEREFORE, "a well regulated militia" only means a well equipped
    militia. It does not imply the modern meaning of "regulated," which means controlled or administered
    by some superior entity. Federal control over the militia comes from other parts of the Constitution,
    but not from the second amendment.

    Patrick Henry: "The people have a right to keep and bear arms." (Elliott, Debates at 185)

    Alexander Hamilton: "...that standing army can never be formidable (threatening) to the liberties
    of the people, while there is a large body of citizens, little if at all inferior to them in the use of arms."
    (Federalist Paper #29)

    "Little more can be aimed at with respect to the people at large than to have them properly armed
    and equipped
    ." (Id) {responding to the claim that the militia itself could threaten liberty}" There is
    something so far-fetched, and so extravagant in the idea of danger of liberty from the militia that one
    is at a loss whether to treat it with gravity or raillery (mockery). (Id)
    What the Founders of the US said about guns:

    Thomas Jefferson: "Laws that forbid the carrying of arms...disarm only those who are neither
    inclined or determined to commit crimes. Such laws only make things worse for the assaulted and
    better for the assassins; they serve to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man
    may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man
    ." (1764 Letter and speech from T.
    Jefferson quoting with approval an essay by Cesare Beccari)

    John Adams: "Arms in the hands of citizens may be used at individual discretion in private self
    defense
    ." (A defense of the Constitution of the US)

    George Washington: "Firearms stand next in importance to the Constitution itself. They are the
    people's liberty teeth (and) keystone... the rifle and the pistol are equally indispensable... more than
    99% of them [guns] by their silence indicate that they are in safe and sane hands. The very
    atmosphere of firearms everywhere restrains evil interference [crime]. When firearms go, all goes,
    we need them every hour.
    " (Address to 1st session of Congress)

    George Mason: "To disarm the people is the most effectual way to enslave them." (3 Elliot,
    Debates at 380)

    Noah Webster: "Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed, as they are in
    almost every country in Europe
    ." (1787, Pamphlets on the Constitution of the US)

    George Washington: "A free people ought to be armed." (Jan 14 1790, Boston Independent
    Chronicle.)

    Thomas Jefferson: "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." (T. Jefferson papers,
    334, C.J. Boyd, Ed. 1950)

    James Madison: "Americans have the right and advantage of being armed, unlike the people of
    other countries, whose people are afraid to trust them with arms." (Federalist Paper #46)

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