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    Re: World warming to US under Obama, BBC poll suggests

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    Why wouldn't the world like us more now? Obama has done his best to cut our nuts off while going on an apology tour.
    We don't count on you ever warming to the president, but it is a relief to many of us that less of the world counts us as an enemy.

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    Re: World warming to US under Obama, BBC poll suggests

    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post
    We don't count on you ever warming to the president, but it is a relief to many of us that less of the world counts us as an enemy.
    Do you have a Tinman and Cowardly Lion to go with your strawman. Nothing about this thread talks about people counting us as "enemies" in the slightest. I didn't have, and don't have, a very positive view of France for some time. That doesn't mean I view them or count them as an "enemy". Why don't you go follow the yellow brick road to whatever imaginary conversation you THINK people are having because no one in here is talking about anyone in the world counting us as an "enemy". When yo'ure tired of not being in Kansas anymore why don't you come back to the thread and actually discuss what's being ACTUALLY talked about.

    Overall I'd view the upward trend as a positive thing. That said, there are numerous variables that go into this before I can simply declare it a net positive or and Obama only thing.

    What factors exactly, other than simply the name and the reputation, caused these people to have a negative view on America in the past and a positive one now? Would Iraq and our strategy in it be a portion of that? If so that'd tell us a bit about the intellectual honesty presented when one compares Bush's Iraq plan going forward to what Obama has continued. Was it a negative view regarding America's expressing of its military might in general? If so, again, what does that say about their change despite Obama's actions in Afghanistan? Has it grew into a more positive view of America due to the continued apologizes and statements of wrong doing in the past (always attributed to Bush, never to a congress that went along with it, of which at times Obama was part of)? If that's the case do I find that a worth while reason to have our numbers uptick. Can they actually give an actual tangible reason other than its Obama and he represents hope and change? And if they can't does that really matter?

    All of these are pertinent bits of information that frankly we do not have from this that I would want to know before making a concrete "yes this is good" or "no this is not good" statement. I would lean to a cautious "Overall its a good thing" despite reservations as to the legitimacy of the rationale behind the rise in public opinion.

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    The world approves of our unilateral military action when it is directed against terrorists. Saddam Hussein was not a terrorist, and our adventure in Iraq left AlQaeda to regroup and grow stronger. Republicans seem to have a blind spot regarding the justified use of force and world opinion of it. You seem to think everyone is stupid enough to believe any lie, swallow any excuse, accept any rationalization regarding the misuse of armed force. There is no strawman here, many nations including China and Russia were untrustful of US intentions under the Bush regime. Obama is repairing those relationships, and the world will be safer for it. Most on the right believe the US should attack Iran, John McCain repeated this outrageous bravado just last week. Does it occur to any of you gung-ho types that if the US attacked Iran, China and Russia would quickly form an alliance to get their oil? Did you love the Cold War so much you want to return to it? Or are you, as I suspect, just refusing to think of the consequences of your bellicose language?


    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Do you have a Tinman and Cowardly Lion to go with your strawman. Nothing about this thread talks about people counting us as "enemies" in the slightest. I didn't have, and don't have, a very positive view of France for some time. That doesn't mean I view them or count them as an "enemy". Why don't you go follow the yellow brick road to whatever imaginary conversation you THINK people are having because no one in here is talking about anyone in the world counting us as an "enemy". When yo'ure tired of not being in Kansas anymore why don't you come back to the thread and actually discuss what's being ACTUALLY talked about.

    Overall I'd view the upward trend as a positive thing. That said, there are numerous variables that go into this before I can simply declare it a net positive or and Obama only thing.

    What factors exactly, other than simply the name and the reputation, caused these people to have a negative view on America in the past and a positive one now? Would Iraq and our strategy in it be a portion of that? If so that'd tell us a bit about the intellectual honesty presented when one compares Bush's Iraq plan going forward to what Obama has continued. Was it a negative view regarding America's expressing of its military might in general? If so, again, what does that say about their change despite Obama's actions in Afghanistan? Has it grew into a more positive view of America due to the continued apologizes and statements of wrong doing in the past (always attributed to Bush, never to a congress that went along with it, of which at times Obama was part of)? If that's the case do I find that a worth while reason to have our numbers uptick. Can they actually give an actual tangible reason other than its Obama and he represents hope and change? And if they can't does that really matter?

    All of these are pertinent bits of information that frankly we do not have from this that I would want to know before making a concrete "yes this is good" or "no this is not good" statement. I would lean to a cautious "Overall its a good thing" despite reservations as to the legitimacy of the rationale behind the rise in public opinion.

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    Re: World warming to US under Obama, BBC poll suggests

    So let me get this straight... a poll of 14 countries (the whole world?) shows that those countries have about the same view of the U.S. as they did in 2005, plus maybe 2%. This is shown as evidence that Obama has improved world relations, without giving any specific policy examples of how this is so.

    Hmmmm.

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    Re: World warming to US under Obama, BBC poll suggests

    Quote Originally Posted by Dav View Post
    So let me get this straight... a poll of 14 countries (the whole world?) shows that those countries have about the same view of the U.S. as they did in 2005, plus maybe 2%. This is shown as evidence that Obama has improved world relations, without giving any specific policy examples of how this is so.

    Hmmmm.
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    Re: World warming to US under Obama, BBC poll suggests

    Quote Originally Posted by ADK_Forever View Post
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    It seems Barack Obama being elected as our president is as much a breath of fresh air to the rest of the world as it has been to Americans.

    Thank you Barack Obama for restoring honor and integrity to America.


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    Re: World warming to US under Obama, BBC poll suggests

    Quote Originally Posted by ADK_Forever View Post
    BBC News - World warming to US under Obama, BBC poll suggests

    It seems Barack Obama being elected as our president is as much a breath of fresh air to the rest of the world as it has been to Americans.

    Thank you Barack Obama for restoring honor and integrity to America.
    ROTFLMAO... Honor... ROTFLMFAO... Integrity... This Chicago thug. LOL...

    These same people loved Carter... Failure.
    They loved Clinton... Impeached President.

    They hated Reagan with a passion. Bush 43 as well.
    In Europe W's years were a repeat of the stupidities of the 80's.

    I'll take the presidents they hate... every time.

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    when you have NO MORAL COMPASS.

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    Re: World warming to US under Obama, BBC poll suggests

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    ROTFLMAO... Honor... ROTFLMFAO... Integrity... This Chicago thug. LOL...

    These same people loved Carter... Failure.
    They loved Clinton... Impeached President.

    They hated Reagan with a passion. Bush 43 as well.
    In Europe W's years were a repeat of the stupidities of the 80's.

    I'll take the presidents they hate... every time.

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    Good point...... and one only has to look at how the Leaders around the world treat Barry to see what the "world " consensus is.
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    Originally Posted by PogueMoran
    I didnt have to read the article to tell you that you cant read.

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    Re: World warming to US under Obama, BBC poll suggests

    This poll just shows the stupidity of the world. All Obama does is apologize. Of course people are going to like a pansy person who blames his nation for all the world's ills. This poll isn't good news in the least.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crunch View Post
    Good point...... and one only has to look at how the Leaders around the world treat Barry to see what the "world " consensus is.
    President Bow,Bow, Bow, Wow!
    Yep, these people think he's from the minor leagues.

    They enjoy the demise he's bringing... when your enemies are cutting their throats, why interfere except to exact through demands... more from the enemy.

    It seems the American people are waking up and leaving the cult; a great sign.

    What will be shocking to people in Europe is Bow, Bow, Bow, Wow's losing in 2012. They won't be able to figure out why because they don't get the news. It is amazing what they report... but they're... supporters, just like our propagandists in the press.

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