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jallman said:
Wait, what? Catholics aren't pagans. Where are you getting this silly idea from?
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The same place where people feel they are entitled to jobs they don't need any kind of education or training for.
 
jallman said:
Wait, what? Catholics aren't pagans. Where are you getting this silly idea from?
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Many Evangelical Christian churches consider Catholicism hopelessly corrupted by paganism.

When I was in high school, my boyfriend was Catholic. My mom told me, "Just don't marry him, they aren't real Christians."
 
Catz Part Deux said:
Many Evangelical Christian churches consider Catholicism hopelessly corrupted by paganism.

When I was in high school, my boyfriend was Catholic. My mom told me, "Just don't marry him, they aren't real Christians."
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Pfft...Catholics have an unbroken line of succession back to the very first disciples. We were the first Christians.
 
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Oh look, Partisan made a sock-puppet.
 
jallman said:
Pfft...Catholics have an unbroken line of succession back to the very first disciples. We were the first Christians.
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You and I know that, and I don't have a dog in the fight. But my mom says otherwise. :doh
 
Catz Part Deux said:
Many Evangelical Christian churches consider Catholicism hopelessly corrupted by paganism.

When I was in high school, my boyfriend was Catholic. My mom told me, "Just don't marry him, they aren't real Christians."
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That's funny !! When I started bringing my future wife over to my folks house on a regular basis I got the oposite treatment. My father's only question was "she is Catholic, right ? " She passed the test.
 
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hatuey said:
the same place where people feel they are entitled to jobs they don't need any kind of education or training for.
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tsa?

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jallman said:
Wait, what? Catholics aren't pagans.
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If it acts like a duck, quacks like a duck and looks like a duck then maybe its a duck.

Where are you getting this silly idea from?
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Catholics pray to or venerate saints don't they? Which is a blatant violation of Exodus 20:3-4/Deuteronomy 5:7-8. Catholic saints also basically represent something much the same way pagan gods fo. Basically catholics just replaced Jupiter with God and everyone else with catholic saints and even added some of their own, How can anyone not say Catholics are pagans? IF anything is silly it is the idea that Catholics are Christians.


Patron saints of ailments, illness and dangers - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[ame=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patron_saints_of_places]Patron saints of places - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]

[ame=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patron_saints_of_occupations_and_activities]Patron saints of occupations and activities - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]
 
jamesrage said:
If it acts like a duck, quacks like a duck and looks like a duck then maybe its a duck.



Catholics pray to or venerate saints don't they? Which is a blatant violation of Exodus 20:3-4/Deuteronomy 5:7-8. Catholic saints also basically represent something much the same way pagan gods fo. Basically catholics just replaced Jupiter with God and everyone else with catholic saints and even added some of their own, How can anyone not say Catholics are pagans? IF anything is silly it is the idea that Catholics are Christians.


Patron saints of ailments, illness and dangers - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Patron saints of places - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Patron saints of occupations and activities - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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I think the Pope just **** a brick :lol:
 
jamesrage said:
If it acts like a duck, quacks like a duck and looks like a duck then maybe its a duck.



Catholics pray to or venerate saints don't they? Which is a blatant violation of Exodus 20:3-4/Deuteronomy 5:7-8. Catholic saints also basically represent something much the same way pagan gods fo. Basically catholics just replaced Jupiter with God and everyone else with catholic saints and even added some of their own, How can anyone not say Catholics are pagans? IF anything is silly it is the idea that Catholics are Christians.


Patron saints of ailments, illness and dangers - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Patron saints of places - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Patron saints of occupations and activities - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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I don't think that Pope Arnold will be happy with you. All religions have practices, beliefs or founders who can be criticised for one reason or another. The Jews make their boys start off life with a reduced ego. Buddism was founded by a fat green guy. The Muslims will commit suicide in the hope of getting at 40 mythical virgins. And the Mormons, OMG, they claim that the Smith guy was handed some books with Egyptian writing by two guys who landed in a UFO in the woods of upstate New York.

So you see if it wasn't for those pervert priests who have been diddling little boys us Mackeral Snappers would appear real normal.
 
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Blackdog said:
You are reading WAY to much into it man. WAY to much.



Oh no! we should run in fear because it means "the race". :doh

Dude, they are celebrating the race and culture they come from and legally trying to help each other. Nothing racist about that. So I guess Saint Patric's day is racist for celebrating the Irish. :lol:

Tex your argument on this is out there man.
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(On bolded text) Unless, of course, you're white.
 
jamesrage said:
If it acts like a duck, quacks like a duck and looks like a duck then maybe its a duck.
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That doesn't explain how Catholics are pagans.


Catholics pray to or venerate saints don't they?
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No, we do not pray to Saints.

Which is a blatant violation of Exodus 20:3-4/Deuteronomy 5:7-8. Catholic saints also basically represent something much the same way pagan gods fo. Basically catholics just replaced Jupiter with God and everyone else with catholic saints and even added some of their own, How can anyone not say Catholics are pagans? IF anything is silly it is the idea that Catholics are Christians.
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That is completely false. Catholic Saints are basically men and women who led holy lives and exemplified charity and other holy characteristics.

Patron saints of ailments, illness and dangers - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Patron saints of places - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Patron saints of occupations and activities - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Yes, and that says nothing to lend credence to the stupid **** you just blathered.

Catholics are Christians, period. Jesus founded the church on the rock of St Peter and Christ they worship God and Jesus. Period.

So again, where are you getting this stupid ****? Do you even know what Pagan and Christian mean? Somehow I doubt it.
 
jallman said:
That doesn't explain how Catholics are pagans.
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If it acts like a pagan prays like a pagan then perhaps it is a pagan.



No, we do not pray to Saints.
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Yes you all do.

Why Roman Catholics Pray to Saints - Prayer to Saints in Roman Catholicism




That is completely false. Catholic Saints are basically men and women who led holy lives and exemplified charity and other holy characteristics.
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Men you pray to men the Catholic religion has idolized. So it is a blatant violation of Exodus 20:3-4/

3 You shall have no other gods before me. 4 "You shall not make for yourself an idol in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below.


7 "You shall have no other gods before me. 8 "You shall not make for yourself an idol in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below.


Yes, and that says nothing to lend credence to the stupid **** you just blathered.
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How is it stupid? Instead of Bacchus the god of wine you have Arnold of Soissons the patron saint of Brewers,Vincent of Saragossa of winemakers,Theobald of Provins of Farmers, winegrowers, shoemakers, beltmakers, charcoal-burners and many other saints. Instead of Mars God of war you have Saint Sebastian patron saint of soldiers and athletes, Saint Maurice patron saint of infantrymen, Martin of Tours patron saint of soldiers and many other saints .


Catholics are Christians, period. Jesus founded the church on the rock of St Peter and Christ they worship God and Jesus. Period.
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Christians only pray to God. So no Catholics are not Christians.

So again, where are you getting this stupid ****? Do you even know what Pagan and Christian mean? Somehow I doubt it.
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Again praying to saints is not Christianity. Just because you do not call it praying and use some paper coated term does not change the fact it is praying. Pagans pray to things other than God. Catholics are not Christians nor are they even the first to claim to be Christians. Catholicism is something the roman ripped off from the Christians they were persecuting and integrated it with paganism. You are no more a Christian than a Jew(unless it is a Messianic Jew), Wiccan or a Muslim.
 
jamesrage said:
I just find it absurd that people who pray to/venerate saints can call themselves Christians, most Christians share this view. It has nothing to do with hatred but everything to do with Exodus 20:3-4/Deuteronomy 5:7-8. If you notice I do not jump on the bash the catholic church bandwagon every time some phony Catholic politician gets called out by his priest.
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"Most Christians". That is kind of hard to believe considering that most Christians are either Roman Catholic or Eastern Orthodox. There are nearly THREE TIMES as many Catholics as Protestants globally. Protestants may be the majority in the United States, but form a far smaller percentage of the global Christian population.

BTW, we do not WORSHIP saints.
 
jamesrage said:
If it acts like a pagan prays like a pagan then perhaps it is a pagan.
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OK, then, you actually DON'T know what the word pagan means. Glad we cleared that up.

Yes you all do.

Why Roman Catholics Pray to Saints - Prayer to Saints in Roman Catholicism
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No, we all do NOT. There is a difference between prayer to God and a plea for intercession. Those are two completely separate concepts. However, since your enlightening me as to how shallow your knowledge of a simple definition like "pagan" is, I would not expect you to understand the complexities of deeper matters of faith.

But I will say this again for those capable of understanding: Catholics do NOT pray to saints.


Men you pray to men the Catholic religion has idolized. So it is a blatant violation of Exodus 20:3-4/

3 You shall have no other gods before me. 4 "You shall not make for yourself an idol in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below.


7 "You shall have no other gods before me. 8 "You shall not make for yourself an idol in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below.
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They are not gods. No Saint is ever placed before or even equal to God or Christ. They are venerated figures of the Church. You don't even ****ing understand what a Saint is so do forgive me if I laugh at the idea that you could even begin to apply scriptures to the concept.


How is it stupid? Instead of Bacchus the god of wine you have Arnold of Soissons the patron saint of Brewers,Vincent of Saragossa of winemakers,Theobald of Provins of Farmers, winegrowers, shoemakers, beltmakers, charcoal-burners and many other saints. Instead of Mars God of war you have Saint Sebastian patron saint of soldiers and athletes, Saint Maurice patron saint of infantrymen, Martin of Tours patron saint of soldiers and many other saints .
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Yes, they are saintly men. They are not gods.


Christians only pray to God. So no Catholics are not Christians.
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Catholics pray to only one god no matter how desperately and ignorantly you cling to idiotic ideas you keep spewing forth. You know so little about what you are talking and you eclipse that with a die hard commitment to remaining stupid on the topic that I scarcely see how you could find yourself educated on the matter.


Again praying to saints is not Christianity.
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Good, because no catholic prays to a saint.

Just because you do not call it praying and use some paper coated term does not change the fact it is praying.
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Just because you have such a limited understanding of matters of faith that you cannot see nuance and complexity in the intercessions of the saint does not mean you are in the least bit correct. Your ignorance knows no bounds no matter how hard you attempt to come off as having a ****ing clue.

Pagans pray to things other than God.
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True, so what's your point?

Catholics are not Christians nor are they even the first to claim to be Christians. Catholicism is something the roman ripped off from the Christians they were persecuting and integrated it with paganism. You are no more a Christian than a Jew(unless it is a Messianic Jew), Wiccan or a Muslim.
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And you know exactly 0 about what you are speaking. You are no more knowledgable about the topic of what is a Christian and what is not than some aborigine in the depths of the jungle unless it is an aborigine who has been ministered to by a Catholic
 
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ludahai said:
BTW, we do not WORSHIP saints.
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That's two catholics now against one speaking from ignorance. I would explain to him communo sanctorum but if he can't understand the English definition of "pagan", I find it hard to believe I wouldn't be throwing pearls to swine in trying to explain to him what the latin means.
 
jallman said:
That's two catholics now against one speaking from ignorance. I would explain to him communo sanctorum but if he can't understand the English definition of "pagan", I find it hard to believe I wouldn't be throwing pearls to swine in trying to explain to him what the latin means.
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But he knows better than you what you believe....
 
I liked that part - hahahahaha. Most Christians share this view.

http://www.spiritualworld.org/christianity/how_many.htm

How Many Christians Are There?

There are eighty-five main Christian denominations. These denominations make a distinction between Catholic Christians and Protestant Christians. There are 1,026,501,000 Roman Catholics and 316,445,000 ** Protestants in the world. Most Catholics are Roman Catholics; there are 60,018,436 ** in the United States. Protestants in the U.S. number 42,513,059 as of 1997. **

What is the second largest Christian denomination in the United States? The Baptist Church is the leader with 23,929,356 members. ** Next in numbers are the United Methodist Church and the Presbyterian Church.

Christian denominations are many and diverse. Some churches proclaim Christianity is the only true religion. Other churches emphasize that only their own denomination — or, perhaps, denominations closely affiliated with them — practice true Christianity. However, many denominations hold that all other Christian churches, in addition to their own, are also valid. Further, many Christians today state their recognition that religions outside of Christianity are also God-given and true.
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As much as I dislike the Catholic church, it really takes a single Protestant to outdo them in terms of saying crazy ****.
 
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